Very very true, there is a real sense of duty and it's a vocation to many and let's not beat around the bush the NHS management who are a byword for mediocrity in many instances treat staff like crap. There are 110,000 vacancies for a reason, wages and a toxic environment being the main ones.
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Public sector pay rise
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metalblue
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Very very true, there is a real sense of duty and it's a vocation to many and let's not beat around the bush the NHS management who are a byword for mediocrity in many instances treat staff like crap. There are 110,000 vacancies for a reason, wages and a toxic environment being the main ones.
110,000? According to https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/ it’s 35,000
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5th September will be general strike day, new incoming PM has to deal with that. Duncan Smith on TV now saying the government are rolling in cash from all the extra tax collected from fuel and high prices. They found billions for all the private sector in lockdown whilst most of the public sector carried on working, hand clapping doesn’t pay your gas bill, get a proper pay rise for everyone and let’s get the country going, the money will go back into the government as it will be spent.
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5th September will be general strike day, new incoming PM has to deal with that. Duncan Smith on TV now saying the government are rolling in cash from all the extra tax collected from fuel and high prices. They found billions for all the private sector in lockdown whilst most of the public sector carried on working, hand clapping doesn’t pay your gas bill, get a proper pay rise for everyone and let’s get the country going, the money will go back into the government as it will be spent.
Good luck looking for Keynesianism from this shower of shit.
Gabriel
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Three years is a very long time in politics…Just announced - an above inflation pay rise for the above.
About fucking time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49041295
According to Nursing Times there were 93,806 vacancies in June 2021 and 110,192 according to Nursing in practice in Dec 2021, not seen any figures from 2022 yet. They are heavily reliant on NHS professionals an internal agency and i'm sad to say most i've come across are unreliable and lacking in motivation, the second bit i can understand.110,000? According to https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/ it’s 35,000
We seem to just hear the underfunded reason and i'd agree to a certain extent but the amount of waste and managerial incompetence beggars belief.
metalblue
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According to Nursing Times there were 93,806 vacancies in June 2021 and 110,192 according to Nursing in practice in Dec 2021, not seen any figures from 2022 yet. They are heavily reliant on NHS professionals an internal agency and i'm sad to say most i've come across are unreliable and lacking in motivation, the second bit i can understand.
We seem to just hear the underfunded reason and i'd agree to a certain extent but the amount of waste and managerial incompetence beggars belief.
You’re mixing up shortfall with vacancies fella. With retirements etc nursing shortfall will be 38,000 even if government hits its hiring target of 50,000 nurses. They estimate with hiring and leaving we face a shortfall (net) of 130,000 by the end of this decade. Currently there are 35,000 vacancies. Obviously shortfalls are a serious problem that is storing up but it can be solved. They need to increase the starting salary for qualified nurses - this latest pay rise only closes the gap between qualified and unqualified staff. That’s not to say the unqualified don’t deserve the pay they now get (or more) but rather why would a nurse take on the extra responsibilities for not much extra pay.
It’s very hard to increase productivity in the Public Sector because of the nature of work that’s done, cannot be measured in productivity terms.
Therefore, the size of the Economy can only be increased by productivity increases in the Private Sector or efficiency savings in the Public Sector.
Unless everyone gets the same % pay increases, there is going to be winners and losers, depending on the bargaining strength of particular sectors of the Economy.
Can someone please explain, particularly with the effects of imported inflation that we have in the U.K, how the pay rises that some on here want to see implemented, are going to be paid for.
Therefore, the size of the Economy can only be increased by productivity increases in the Private Sector or efficiency savings in the Public Sector.
Unless everyone gets the same % pay increases, there is going to be winners and losers, depending on the bargaining strength of particular sectors of the Economy.
Can someone please explain, particularly with the effects of imported inflation that we have in the U.K, how the pay rises that some on here want to see implemented, are going to be paid for.
Productivity can be measured in a lot of jobs, particularly front line roles and is. Although this type of work is more likely to be contracted out these days, and the outsourcing companies pay considerably less.It’s very hard to increase productivity in the Public Sector because of the nature of work that’s done, cannot be measured in productivity terms.
Therefore, the size of the Economy can only be increased by productivity increases in the Private Sector or efficiency savings in the Public Sector.
Unless everyone gets the same % pay increases, there is going to be winners and losers, depending on the bargaining strength of particular sectors of the Economy.
Can someone please explain, particularly with the effects of imported inflation that we have in the U.K, how the pay rises that some on here want to see implemented, are going to be paid for.
Asking for near double digit pay rises is cloud cuckoo land, if I get 3% it will be the best in memory and I'd be satisfied. In reality some jobs have been regraded to higher scales to mitigate the 0% increase austerity years.
Agreed.Productivity can be measured in a lot of jobs, particularly front line roles and is. Although this type of work is more likely to be contracted out these days, and the outsourcing companies pay considerably less.
Asking for near double digit pay rises is cloud cuckoo land, if I get 3% it will be the best in memory and I'd be satisfied. In reality some jobs have been regraded to higher scales to mitigate the 0% increase austerity years.
The Government will never agree double digit pay rises in the public sector because its unaffordable.
So not sure what those demanding a General Strike think it will achieve.
There will be some workers, depending on the type of work they do and the power of their Union, will demand and achieve, higher rises which means there will be less available for others.
Will those on the left see this as an abuse of their power.
I doubt it.