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dref619 said:
You could be right, who knows? But I still doubt we will pay 60mil for a player, unless it's someone like Ronaldo or Messi.
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You could be right, who knows? But I still doubt we will pay 60mil for a player, unless it's someone like Ronaldo or Messi.
Matt the Giant said:dref619 said:Matt the Giant said:I don't think we have any serious interest in him as we seem to have ended the days were we pay obscene amounts of money for a player. Roman will probably think the buy out fee is okay and he will go to Chelsea. Maybe though, Torres would be interested in going back home as a part of the deal?
And as much as I admire Falcao, I don't think we have room for him, even if we sell Balotelli (and I really hope we do). If another one goes, i.e Dzeko or Tevez, then an additional world class striker would of course be needed.
i'm not sure thats particularly true. i just think we're only willing to pay the right amount for the right player. we were in for hazard, rvp and de rossi this wind, we missed out on all three, but i think that shows that we're still up for spending big for the right player. I actually think we were clever this window, sent low, god rid of alot of deadwood, potentially clearing the deck so we can splash out if and when we need to
You could be right, who knows? But I still doubt we will pay 60mil for a player, unless it's someone like Ronaldo or Messi.
Credit to you for even understanding that last post, the amount of typos in it are unbelievable. Stupid iPad
sam-caddick
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Lets just say we are going to go into the January window with an intention to spend some money, not small change, but big bucks.
It makes you think that if this was the case then the Summer window was primarily a sort of risk window, going just out for squad players.The club would then see how we would get on in the first half of the next season, and if we drastically needed some big name additions then we would do so in January.
For me, it is quite clear that our midfield is not as good as it should when it comes to Champions League level, I believe Garcia is a fanstastic squad player and a not too shabby replacement for De Jong, and Barry is a very good Premier League player, but not Champions League level in my opinion. This is the area that I think needs sorting out first if we are to think about getting anywhere near the semis of the CL. We have Yaya who is our playmaker if you like, but we need a De Rossi, Busquets, Alonso type of player who breaks down play excellently, but also has the vision for a pass at the top top level.
If we are going for Falcao, then it is obvious a stiker is going to be leaving. There is just no way we can add Falcao to our already world class packed strike force, someone will have to go.
For all this talk of him going PSG, do you really think he will want to go to a league with less competition and rank than the La Liga? He will be coming to the Premier League if he was to leave - he has made comments about watching the Premier League whilst growing up and that he has a desire to play he because there is more atmosphere on the pitch.
He is the third best stiker in the world any would get in any team, I want him at City but unless we find room for him and sell on a striker, he is going to Chelsea.
It makes you think that if this was the case then the Summer window was primarily a sort of risk window, going just out for squad players.The club would then see how we would get on in the first half of the next season, and if we drastically needed some big name additions then we would do so in January.
For me, it is quite clear that our midfield is not as good as it should when it comes to Champions League level, I believe Garcia is a fanstastic squad player and a not too shabby replacement for De Jong, and Barry is a very good Premier League player, but not Champions League level in my opinion. This is the area that I think needs sorting out first if we are to think about getting anywhere near the semis of the CL. We have Yaya who is our playmaker if you like, but we need a De Rossi, Busquets, Alonso type of player who breaks down play excellently, but also has the vision for a pass at the top top level.
If we are going for Falcao, then it is obvious a stiker is going to be leaving. There is just no way we can add Falcao to our already world class packed strike force, someone will have to go.
For all this talk of him going PSG, do you really think he will want to go to a league with less competition and rank than the La Liga? He will be coming to the Premier League if he was to leave - he has made comments about watching the Premier League whilst growing up and that he has a desire to play he because there is more atmosphere on the pitch.
He is the third best stiker in the world any would get in any team, I want him at City but unless we find room for him and sell on a striker, he is going to Chelsea.
If he does then there's no way we'd be catching them for a few years. Falcao will murder English defences and him, Oscar, Hazard and Mata would be beyond scary.sam-caddick said:Lets just say we are going to go into the January window with an intention to spend some money, not small change, but big bucks.
It makes you think that if this was the case then the Summer window was primarily a sort of risk window, going just out for squad players.The club would then see how we would get on in the first half of the next season, and if we drastically needed some big name additions then we would do so in January.
For me, it is quite clear that our midfield is not as good as it should when it comes to Champions League level, I believe Garcia is a fanstastic squad player and a not too shabby replacement for De Jong, and Barry is a very good Premier League player, but not Champions League level in my opinion. This is the area that I think needs sorting out first if we are to think about getting anywhere near the semis of the CL. We have Yaya who is our playmaker if you like, but we need a De Rossi, Busquets, Alonso type of player who breaks down play excellently, but also has the vision for a pass at the top top level.
If we are going for Falcao, then it is obvious a stiker is going to be leaving. There is just no way we can add Falcao to our already world class packed strike force, someone will have to go.
For all this talk of him going PSG, do you really think he will want to go to a league with less competition and rank than the La Liga? He will be coming to the Premier League if he was to leave - he has made comments about watching the Premier League whilst growing up and that he has a desire to play he because there is more atmosphere on the pitch.
He is the third best stiker in the world any would get in any team, I want him at City but unless we find room for him and sell on a striker, he is going to Chelsea.
AgüeroKun
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Don't buy, he'll end up being the new Torres. Only get if Balotelli is on his way out.
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The City development executive said there will be no repeat of the lavish spending of the last three years as the club concentrate on producing “the majority” of their own first-teamers.
But Vieira explained that there will still be room for the Premier League champions to sign marquee players.
City have been strongly linked with Falcao this week after manager Roberto Mancini travelled to the Spanish capital to watch the striker in action for Atletico Madrid last Sunday.
Asked by Goal.com about Falcao, former City and Arsenal midfielder Vieira said: “That is the manager's call, you never know, but our philosophy will be to try to bring in young players from the academy.
“Clubs like us, United, Chelsea, Arsenal will always try and bring in one exceptional player because that is the way it is, but the majority we want to come from the academy. We are talking about a project over the next 10-15 years.”
Atletico president Enrique Cerezo has opened the floodgates for an approach for Falcao by claiming the club would have no option but to sell their prize asset if the Colombian’s €60million (£48.3m) buy-out clause is met.
Vieira explained that City’s future strategy will differ from the one which saw £1billion spent on transforming the club into Premier League champions following Abu Dhabi’s 2008 takeover.
Speaking at the launch of the 'PASS' education scheme, Vieira said: “As a club we want to produce our own players rather than buy them in in their 20s. This is the future, partly because of FFP, partly because it is good for fans to identify with boys from the academy.
“We have a vision, a plan. In the next few years we want to bring in our young players from the academy. In the last three years we wanted to build a club quick so we could challenge United, Arsenal and Chelsea. We had to buy the best in the market. Now we go to the second phase where we want to use our academy, which is why we are building one of the best in the world.”
Vieira said the key is for City to develop home-grown talent from the age of eight as well as prising the best youngsters from abroad before they sign professional contracts.
One recent example is Jose Angel Pozo, the highly-rated young striker who joined from Real Madrid on his 16th birthday in March.
“He is 16 and came on yesterday [Tuesday] in the Under-21 league, so that says everything about how good he is. I believe that comes from coaching from grass roots up. It is not because he has been at City for a few months that we have made him the player he is now.
“We helped him to develop but from the age of eight or nine years old there has been a better programme than the one there is in the UK.
“There is a difference today between a young 16-year-old from Spain or France or Holland and the England one. The difference can be tactics, technique or the understanding of the game.”
Vieira said City’s challenge is to develop the best youngsters into first-team players.
“I spend every Wednesday evening when I am not travelling at the Academy with the eight to 12-year-olds. I can tell you there is talent and a lot of talent.
“If you have a group of 20 really talented players at that age, if you don't get five involved in the first team that means we have done something wrong and not coached them the way we were supposed to. Does that mean our system is not good?
“When you have a good nine-year-old, you have to improve that talent year after year. You get to the point where he is not good enough, you have to ask how come you lost him. It means there must be something wrong in our system.
“As a football club you want to develop players [rather than the FA do it]. You have the players from 8-16 so you know what you need to improve, but the big problem in this country is we have been losing a lot of players from the age of 18-21 because the games programme was not good enough.
“That is how you lost so many players. At that age the only big games are at international level but you do not play enough of those to be challenged or try to improve, because that is the best way to see where you are. Having the Under-21 league is making things more positive for the English game.”
But Vieira explained that there will still be room for the Premier League champions to sign marquee players.
City have been strongly linked with Falcao this week after manager Roberto Mancini travelled to the Spanish capital to watch the striker in action for Atletico Madrid last Sunday.
Asked by Goal.com about Falcao, former City and Arsenal midfielder Vieira said: “That is the manager's call, you never know, but our philosophy will be to try to bring in young players from the academy.
“Clubs like us, United, Chelsea, Arsenal will always try and bring in one exceptional player because that is the way it is, but the majority we want to come from the academy. We are talking about a project over the next 10-15 years.”
Atletico president Enrique Cerezo has opened the floodgates for an approach for Falcao by claiming the club would have no option but to sell their prize asset if the Colombian’s €60million (£48.3m) buy-out clause is met.
Vieira explained that City’s future strategy will differ from the one which saw £1billion spent on transforming the club into Premier League champions following Abu Dhabi’s 2008 takeover.
Speaking at the launch of the 'PASS' education scheme, Vieira said: “As a club we want to produce our own players rather than buy them in in their 20s. This is the future, partly because of FFP, partly because it is good for fans to identify with boys from the academy.
“We have a vision, a plan. In the next few years we want to bring in our young players from the academy. In the last three years we wanted to build a club quick so we could challenge United, Arsenal and Chelsea. We had to buy the best in the market. Now we go to the second phase where we want to use our academy, which is why we are building one of the best in the world.”
Vieira said the key is for City to develop home-grown talent from the age of eight as well as prising the best youngsters from abroad before they sign professional contracts.
One recent example is Jose Angel Pozo, the highly-rated young striker who joined from Real Madrid on his 16th birthday in March.
“He is 16 and came on yesterday [Tuesday] in the Under-21 league, so that says everything about how good he is. I believe that comes from coaching from grass roots up. It is not because he has been at City for a few months that we have made him the player he is now.
“We helped him to develop but from the age of eight or nine years old there has been a better programme than the one there is in the UK.
“There is a difference today between a young 16-year-old from Spain or France or Holland and the England one. The difference can be tactics, technique or the understanding of the game.”
Vieira said City’s challenge is to develop the best youngsters into first-team players.
“I spend every Wednesday evening when I am not travelling at the Academy with the eight to 12-year-olds. I can tell you there is talent and a lot of talent.
“If you have a group of 20 really talented players at that age, if you don't get five involved in the first team that means we have done something wrong and not coached them the way we were supposed to. Does that mean our system is not good?
“When you have a good nine-year-old, you have to improve that talent year after year. You get to the point where he is not good enough, you have to ask how come you lost him. It means there must be something wrong in our system.
“As a football club you want to develop players [rather than the FA do it]. You have the players from 8-16 so you know what you need to improve, but the big problem in this country is we have been losing a lot of players from the age of 18-21 because the games programme was not good enough.
“That is how you lost so many players. At that age the only big games are at international level but you do not play enough of those to be challenged or try to improve, because that is the best way to see where you are. Having the Under-21 league is making things more positive for the English game.”
ENGLAND/ MAN. CITY, Dzeko the key for Falcao
According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, to obtain 26 year old forward Radamel Falcao Garcia, Manchester City are ready to offer to Atletico de Madrid 26 year old Edin Dzeko plus cash.
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According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, to obtain 26 year old forward Radamel Falcao Garcia, Manchester City are ready to offer to Atletico de Madrid 26 year old Edin Dzeko plus cash.
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sam-caddick said:Lets just say we are going to go into the January window with an intention to spend some money, not small change, but big bucks.
It makes you think that if this was the case then the Summer window was primarily a sort of risk window, going just out for squad players.The club would then see how we would get on in the first half of the next season, and if we drastically needed some big name additions then we would do so in January.
For me, it is quite clear that our midfield is not as good as it should when it comes to Champions League level, I believe Garcia is a fanstastic squad player and a not too shabby replacement for De Jong, and Barry is a very good Premier League player, but not Champions League level in my opinion. This is the area that I think needs sorting out first if we are to think about getting anywhere near the semis of the CL. We have Yaya who is our playmaker if you like, but we need a De Rossi, Busquets, Alonso type of player who breaks down play excellently, but also has the vision for a pass at the top top level.
If we are going for Falcao, then it is obvious a stiker is going to be leaving. There is just no way we can add Falcao to our already world class packed strike force, someone will have to go.
For all this talk of him going PSG, do you really think he will want to go to a league with less competition and rank than the La Liga? He will be coming to the Premier League if he was to leave - he has made comments about watching the Premier League whilst growing up and that he has a desire to play he because there is more atmosphere on the pitch.
He is the third best stiker in the world any would get in any team, I want him at City but unless we find room for him and sell on a striker, he is going to Chelsea.
But how will we balance the strike force?
So what would be the plan? Sell Dzeko and Balotelli, use the cash to buy Falcao, and then bring in Guidetti as the fourth striker, assuming he can hack it in the Premier League?
We should do whatever it takes to prevent Falcao from going to Chelsea, if we are remotely interested in him. Don't let it become another Hazard fiasco..
CityCTID said:ENGLAND/ MAN. CITY, Dzeko the key for Falcao
According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, to obtain 26 year old forward Radamel Falcao Garcia, Manchester City are ready to offer to Atletico de Madrid 26 year old Edin Dzeko plus cash.
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I'll warm the auto.
sam-caddick
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bapi said:if PSG will really offer 60M he'll join them, I'm sure. More chances with Jovetic IMHO.
He has said he only wants the Premier League though, he will stay in Madrid otherwise. France is well below Spain in terms of divisions, he is not that stupid. PSG are offering 60m euros not pounds - Chelsea will pay that without a doubt, cannot see us paying it.
sam-caddick said:bapi said:if PSG will really offer 60M he'll join them, I'm sure. More chances with Jovetic IMHO.
He has said he only wants the Premier League though, he will stay in Madrid otherwise. France is well below Spain in terms of divisions, he is not that stupid. PSG are offering 60m euros not pounds - Chelsea will pay that without a doubt, cannot see us paying it.
Well, it's not about what he wants but what Atletico want. And they need money and I doubt that any club will offer more than PSG.
sam-caddick
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bapi said:sam-caddick said:bapi said:if PSG will really offer 60M he'll join them, I'm sure. More chances with Jovetic IMHO.
He has said he only wants the Premier League though, he will stay in Madrid otherwise. France is well below Spain in terms of divisions, he is not that stupid. PSG are offering 60m euros not pounds - Chelsea will pay that without a doubt, cannot see us paying it.
Well, it's not about what he wants but what Atletico want. And they need money and I doubt that any club will offer more than PSG.
Atletico want to keep him if they get in the Champions League as they will have a bigger revenue.
Falcao will have a say so on where he goes, if he does not want to go to France he does not want to go.
i dont understand why most of people in this forum say that chelsea is such a scary team and if they buy falcao they would be unstoppable. someone even said they are as scary as us this time last year(come on). yes they are a better team than last year but not as good as us, they are 4 points ahead because they had easier games, they have some very tough games ahead and i bet u anything u want they won't be first come december. i still think that the rags are our main rival. that being said if they add falcao(which imo is the best striker in the world, a pure goalscorer that world football haven't seen since gerd muller played)they will become a true danger to us. i think they only way we can get him is release mario in december and then tevez in the summer because he will only have one more year in his contract. keep dzeko and guidetti as 4th striker and just imagine sergio and falcao playing together(UNSTOPABLE).
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kun1 said:i dont understand why most of people in this forum say that chelsea is such a scary team and if they buy falcao they would be unstoppable. someone even said they are as scary as us this time last year(come on). yes they are a better team than last year but not as good as us, they are 4 points ahead because they had easier games, they have some very tough games ahead and i bet u anything u want they won't be first come december. i still think that the rags are our main rival. that being said if they add falcao(which imo is the best striker in the world, a pure goalscorer that world football haven't seen since gerd muller played)they will become a true danger to us. i think they only way we can get him is release mario in december and then tevez in the summer because he will only have one more year in his contract. keep dzeko and guidetti as 4th striker and just imagine sergio and falcao playing together(UNSTOPABLE).
They won at the Emirates.
sam-caddick
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kun1 said:i dont understand why most of people in this forum say that chelsea is such a scary team and if they buy falcao they would be unstoppable. someone even said they are as scary as us this time last year(come on). yes they are a better team than last year but not as good as us, they are 4 points ahead because they had easier games, they have some very tough games ahead and i bet u anything u want they won't be first come december. i still think that the rags are our main rival. that being said if they add falcao(which imo is the best striker in the world, a pure goalscorer that world football haven't seen since gerd muller played)they will become a true danger to us. i think they only way we can get him is release mario in december and then tevez in the summer because he will only have one more year in his contract. keep dzeko and guidetti as 4th striker and just imagine sergio and falcao playing together(UNSTOPABLE).
Our midfield needs sorting out before we get branded unstoppable. In the Premier League it is good enough to win the league, but no way near good enough to win the CL.
Falcao for Mario would be good though.
I think Mario would go in a separate deal if he was to be sold, quite simply Atletico probably wouldn't want such a high risk player to replace their goal machine because they would want someone they could count on from day one. Dzeko would score loads of goals for them and be professional as he always is so it'd make more sense to offer him. If Guidetti impresses on loan come January, would not surprise me if we start next season with Aguero, Tevez, either Falcao or Jovetic, and Guidetti. Because if Guidetti signs this new long-term deal and the club offers him guarantees then we need to free a spot for him. And would it be so bad to have a fourth choice striker who isn't a high profile player?
But anyway, it's only in Gazzetta and swap deals are suggested 100x more than they actually happen.
But anyway, it's only in Gazzetta and swap deals are suggested 100x more than they actually happen.
The way I see it, the only way City get him is if Chelsea aren't involved at all whatsoever. Because if he has offers on the table from us and Chelsea, he will almost certainly pick them. There he would have almost no competition for the starting CF position at all, and he would be their star striker and main man, while at City he'd be competing against and rotated with Aguero, Tevez, and most likely one of Dzeko and Balotelli, if not both.
And if he moves in January, his coming to City is even less likely, unless you people think we can move both Balotelli and Dzeko - both of whom cost the club between 25m and 30m and are on huge wages - in the January transfers window, in time to convince Falcao he'd get enough game time here.
Either way things pan out, I just done see him ending up in Manchester.
And if he moves in January, his coming to City is even less likely, unless you people think we can move both Balotelli and Dzeko - both of whom cost the club between 25m and 30m and are on huge wages - in the January transfers window, in time to convince Falcao he'd get enough game time here.
Either way things pan out, I just done see him ending up in Manchester.
Looked good doing so as well.Kun Aguero said:kun1 said:i dont understand why most of people in this forum say that chelsea is such a scary team and if they buy falcao they would be unstoppable. someone even said they are as scary as us this time last year(come on). yes they are a better team than last year but not as good as us, they are 4 points ahead because they had easier games, they have some very tough games ahead and i bet u anything u want they won't be first come december. i still think that the rags are our main rival. that being said if they add falcao(which imo is the best striker in the world, a pure goalscorer that world football haven't seen since gerd muller played)they will become a true danger to us. i think they only way we can get him is release mario in december and then tevez in the summer because he will only have one more year in his contract. keep dzeko and guidetti as 4th striker and just imagine sergio and falcao playing together(UNSTOPABLE).
They won at the Emirates.