Rags current debt anyone?

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Anyone got an idea as to what the Rags debt is ATM.

It was £716.5mill, but it's probably increased since then. Any ideas? Thanks.
 
It's hard to calculate IIRC because they haven't said what they've done with the £500m in bonds they brought in. There's speculation but nothing more.
 
Still need a figure.

Obviously there's £500mill to start with that they've just borrowed, but there must be some debt left over from the original £716mill to add on?
 
If it is anything to do with the banner, mate - hope you and other kind Bluemooners who have put their hands in their pockets are not being ripped off.

See last post on your previous thread:

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70</a>
 
It will be around £735m by now.

The £716m was at June 2009 and included just under £200m of PIK notes that were attracting interest at 14.25%. This interest is added on to the capital amount and so the current additional interest will be about £18m I reckon.
 
DTeacher said:
If it is anything to do with the banner, mate - hope you and other kind Bluemooners who have put their hands in their pockets are not being ripped off.

See last post on your previous thread:

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70</a>

No mate. It's just to settle a bet in work. A red I work with thinks United's debt is now under £600mill after the refinancing, etc.
 
jrb said:
DTeacher said:
If it is anything to do with the banner, mate - hope you and other kind Bluemooners who have put their hands in their pockets are not being ripped off.

See last post on your previous thread:

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70</a>

No mate. It's just to settle a bet in work. A red I work with thinks United's debt is now under £600mill after the refinancing, etc.
They might well have paid some of the PIK notes off as there was the facility to make a one-off £70m payment to the Glazers. But even if they did that, the total debt would still be over £650m.
 
I have always been crap with money but as far as I know if you change your lender the initial debt does not come down. You may be given longer to pay it or perhaps lower intrest rate. After all, you wouldn't lend £20 quid to someone and then say, call it £15 you owe me....surely?
 
waspish said:
by 2017 all there debt has to be payed up!!!

By my reckoning that's £100m per year that that needs to be paid off. That could possibly eat into their profits over the next few years. Don't expect them to be spending a lot on transfers in the near future.
 
reddishblue said:
waspish said:
by 2017 all there debt has to be payed up!!!

By my reckoning that's £100m per year that that needs to be paid off. That could possibly eat into their profits over the next few years. Don't expect them to be spending a lot on transfers in the near future.
The last couple of years they've made generated about £90m spare cash each year and now have to pay about £42.5m interest alone on the bonds and the Glazers are trying to take about the same amount out each year to try to clear the PIK notes by 2017.

So it doesn't leave a lot.
 
jrb said:
DTeacher said:
If it is anything to do with the banner, mate - hope you and other kind Bluemooners who have put their hands in their pockets are not being ripped off.

See last post on your previous thread:

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168774&start=70</a>

No mate. It's just to settle a bet in work. A red I work with thinks United's debt is now under £600mill after the refinancing, etc.

But the £500m in bonds is a debt of sorts, they probably have to pay higher interest on that than they did for the loan.
 

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