Rags v Schalke 04

Paulmcfc2703 said:
Rahart said:
What planet are you living on?

It's a good thing so that fans don't buy the players then isn't it.

Bayern who aren't exactly Schalke no. 1 fans, are willing to pay over 20 million for him, rumour has it that they were willing to pay in and about that, but Schalke tried to push it higer and now they're not so sure.

But as an example of them "not rating" Neuer..
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bayernforum.com/transfers-f1/manuel-neuer-t3444-2235.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bayernforum.com/transfers-f1 ... -2235.html</a>

(that's 150 odd pages on how much they don't rate Neuer)
rather than throwing a 150 page thread around if you were to actually look at the thread opinion for this 'super' keeper are very split. Some even call him a clown and incinuate he has had 1 decent game. That is what planet I am on.

Like has been said you are still bitter about Hart.

I am not bitter about Hart.
And Baryern hate Schalke, and the feeling is mutual. But most of them are saying (if you had a quick look) that they'd be willing to see 20million spent on him.
And 1 clown, who was quickly shot down, said he has had one game. He sounds a bit like you.
You actually think he's shite and not worth 8 million. Has had a fantastic season, and this game an exception, I'd love if we bought him, best young keeper out there.<br /><br />-- Wed May 04, 2011 9:19 pm --<br /><br />Schalke have stopped playing. All given up at this stage.

Barca are still going to demolish them.
 
Rahart said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
rather than throwing a 150 page thread around if you were to actually look at the thread opinion for this 'super' keeper are very split. Some even call him a clown and incinuate he has had 1 decent game. That is what planet I am on.

Like has been said you are still bitter about Hart.

I am not bitter about Hart.
And Baryern hate Schalke, and the feeling is mutual. But most of them are saying (if you had a quick look) that they'd be willing to see 20million spent on him.
And 1 clown, who was quickly shot down, said he has had one game. He sounds a bit like you.
You actually think he's shite and not worth 8 million. Has had a fantastic season, and this game an exception, I'd love if we bought him, best young keeper out there.
Ah that makes sense with your random 'what planet are you on' comment. If you look back I never said he was shite I said a keeper in the last year of contract will not be sold for lots of money.
 
Probably the worst two performances I have ever seen in the CL,they are absolutely shocking.Like others on here have said it really does ask the question how have they managed to reach this stage.Is the CL really that good after all or is it just a handful of teams that are any good and the rest average.
 
Rahart said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
rather than throwing a 150 page thread around if you were to actually look at the thread opinion for this 'super' keeper are very split. Some even call him a clown and incinuate he has had 1 decent game. That is what planet I am on.

Like has been said you are still bitter about Hart.

I am not bitter about Hart.
And Baryern hate Schalke, and the feeling is mutual. But most of them are saying (if you had a quick look) that they'd be willing to see 20million spent on him.
And 1 clown, who was quickly shot down, said he has had one game. He sounds a bit like you.
You actually think he's shite and not worth 8 million. Has had a fantastic season, and this game an exception, I'd love if we bought him, best young keeper out there.

-- Wed May 04, 2011 9:19 pm --

Schalke have stopped playing. All given up at this stage.

Barca are still going to demolish them.

Good shot stopper is Neuer thats about it.

I've seen his handling of his defence and it is shocking and his distribution is worse then Hart's and Given's put together.
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Rahart said:
I am not bitter about Hart.
And Baryern hate Schalke, and the feeling is mutual. But most of them are saying (if you had a quick look) that they'd be willing to see 20million spent on him.
And 1 clown, who was quickly shot down, said he has had one game. He sounds a bit like you.
You actually think he's shite and not worth 8 million. Has had a fantastic season, and this game an exception, I'd love if we bought him, best young keeper out there.

-- Wed May 04, 2011 9:19 pm --

Schalke have stopped playing. All given up at this stage.

Barca are still going to demolish them.

Good shot stopper is Neuer thats about it.

I've seen his handling of his defence and it is shocking and his distribution is worse then Hart's and Given's put together.

Neuer is a much stronger keeper than both ours. I would have him as number 1 above any keeper that we have.
He is the real deal. He is captain of his club for a reason. He played the world cup while Hart didn't make the team.
I would have him above anything we have. If we had a chance to buy any keeper out there I'd buy him.
There's a reason why his club are looking for nearly 30 million for him.

He is the real deal and will become world class if he keeps improving at the rate he has been.
 
Rahart said:
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Good shot stopper is Neuer thats about it.

I've seen his handling of his defence and it is shocking and his distribution is worse then Hart's and Given's put together.

Neuer is a much stronger keeper than both ours. I would have him as number 1 above any keeper that we have.
He is the real deal. He is captain of his club for a reason. He played the world cup while Hart didn't make the team.
I would have him above anything we have. If we had a chance to buy any keeper out there I'd buy him.
There's a reason why his club are looking for nearly 30 million for him.

He is the real deal and will become world class if he keeps improving at the rate he has been.

Hart didn't make England because Capello said he wanted players who had international experiance, why is Hart Englands number 1 now?

Anthony Annan played in the World Cup as well would you have him over Adam Johnson?

He is strong but strength is nothing when you can't organise your back four and communicate with them.

Hart is a better player and conceded (47) 7 more goals last season for a Birmingham side that just got promoted into the Prem then Neuer did last season (40) for Schalke who finished 2nd 5 points from the top.
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Rahart said:
Neuer is a much stronger keeper than both ours. I would have him as number 1 above any keeper that we have.
He is the real deal. He is captain of his club for a reason. He played the world cup while Hart didn't make the team.
I would have him above anything we have. If we had a chance to buy any keeper out there I'd buy him.
There's a reason why his club are looking for nearly 30 million for him.

He is the real deal and will become world class if he keeps improving at the rate he has been.

Hart didn't make England because Capello said he wanted players who had international experiance, why is Hart Englands number 1 now?

Anthony Annan played in the World Cup as well would you have him over Adam Johnson?

He is strong but strength is nothing when you can't organise your back four and communicate with them.

Hart is a better player and conceded (47) 7 more goals last season for a Birmingham side that just got promoted into the Prem then Neuer did last season (40) for Schalke who finished 2nd 5 points from the top.

Experience shouldn't matter. And it doesn't when it comes to Neuer, people talk about him being an outstanding keeper. When we talk about Hart, we've said so many times..he's only young, he'll learn.
Capello thought more of Green and calamity James. That says it all for the confidence he had in him. And yes look where Hart is now, and I'm not arguing that Hart is bad. He's not. (That said, he has no competition for the spot.)

I meant strong as in talent, not strength. He isn't as vocal as he should be but that is fixable, in all honest truth, he's a better keeper in all departments, than both ours, Given and Hart.

Hart has had a much better defence in front of him. Statistics for me are irrelevant because statistics dont' show what happened in a game. Statistics don't show that Hart might as well sat on his hands against Wigan, while Neuer got MOTM against a team where he conceded 2/3.

Nobody is chasing Hart. Everybody is after Neuer. And like I said, United are willing to pay about 20million for him.
Fergie is no fool and wouldn't pay it if he wasn't worth it, and tonight wont turn him off, in fact it is good to see such a young keeper who, while he made 1/2 mistakes, he still played confidently and made excellent saves in a game where he, like the rest of his team, could have just given up completely.

This isn't about bashing Hart, he's a brill keeper, and we're lucky to have him, but we could do better, and Neuer offers more. And it would be a mistake to see him go to United. It will be a big coup if Fergie manages to get him to United.
 
Rahart said:
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Hart didn't make England because Capello said he wanted players who had international experiance, why is Hart Englands number 1 now?

Anthony Annan played in the World Cup as well would you have him over Adam Johnson?

He is strong but strength is nothing when you can't organise your back four and communicate with them.

Hart is a better player and conceded (47) 7 more goals last season for a Birmingham side that just got promoted into the Prem then Neuer did last season (40) for Schalke who finished 2nd 5 points from the top.

Experience shouldn't matter. And it doesn't when it comes to Neuer, people talk about him being an outstanding keeper. When we talk about Hart, we've said so many times..he's only young, he'll learn.
Capello thought more of Green and calamity James. That says it all for the confidence he had in him. And yes look where Hart is now, and I'm not arguing that Hart is bad. He's not. (That said, he has no competition for the spot.)

I meant strong as in talent, not strength. He isn't as vocal as he should be but that is fixable, in all honest truth, he's a better keeper in all departments, than both ours, Given and Hart.

Hart has had a much better defence in front of him. Statistics for me are irrelevant because statistics dont' show what happened in a game. Statistics don't show that Hart might as well sat on his hands against Wigan, while Neuer got MOTM against a team where he conceded 2/3.

Nobody is chasing Hart. Everybody is after Neuer. And like I said, United are willing to pay about 20million for him.
Fergie is no fool and wouldn't pay it if he wasn't worth it, and tonight wont turn him off, in fact it is good to see such a young keeper who, while he made 1/2 mistakes, he still played confidently and made excellent saves in a game where he, like the rest of his team, could have just given up completely.

This isn't about bashing Hart, he's a brill keeper, and we're lucky to have him, but we could do better, and Neuer offers more. And it would be a mistake to see him go to United. It will be a big coup if Fergie manages to get him to United.

I know your not bashing Hart but to answer your post....

Your right Experiance doesn't matter but Capello wanted experiance in the world cup thats why Green and James went instead of Hart the same with why Downing went instead of Adam Johnson and I don't know a single blue who would rather have Downing then Johno.

Again I agree statistics don't matter but when one keeper who is at a newly promoted team does just as well as a keeper thats at a team thats always challenging for the league earning said keeper (Hart) in winning Premier League best goalkeeper 2009/2010 says alot about him.

And to finish off no-one has come in for Joe Hart simply because Joe Hart isn't looking to move like Neuer is and City are in no position to sell him unlike Shalke is for Neuer as his contract runs out in a year and he is refusing to renew it.
 
Rahart said:
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Hart didn't make England because Capello said he wanted players who had international experiance, why is Hart Englands number 1 now?

Anthony Annan played in the World Cup as well would you have him over Adam Johnson?

He is strong but strength is nothing when you can't organise your back four and communicate with them.

Hart is a better player and conceded (47) 7 more goals last season for a Birmingham side that just got promoted into the Prem then Neuer did last season (40) for Schalke who finished 2nd 5 points from the top.

Experience shouldn't matter. And it doesn't when it comes to Neuer, people talk about him being an outstanding keeper. When we talk about Hart, we've said so many times..he's only young, he'll learn.
Capello thought more of Green and calamity James. That says it all for the confidence he had in him. And yes look where Hart is now, and I'm not arguing that Hart is bad. He's not. (That said, he has no competition for the spot.)

I meant strong as in talent, not strength. He isn't as vocal as he should be but that is fixable, in all honest truth, he's a better keeper in all departments, than both ours, Given and Hart.

Hart has had a much better defence in front of him. Statistics for me are irrelevant because statistics dont' show what happened in a game. Statistics don't show that Hart might as well sat on his hands against Wigan, while Neuer got MOTM against a team where he conceded 2/3.

Nobody is chasing Hart. Everybody is after Neuer. And like I said, United are willing to pay about 20million for him.
Fergie is no fool and wouldn't pay it if he wasn't worth it, and tonight wont turn him off, in fact it is good to see such a young keeper who, while he made 1/2 mistakes, he still played confidently and made excellent saves in a game where he, like the rest of his team, could have just given up completely.

This isn't about bashing Hart, he's a brill keeper, and we're lucky to have him, but we could do better, and Neuer offers more. And it would be a mistake to see him go to United. It will be a big coup if Fergie manages to get him to United.
Teams are chasing Neuer because it is well documented that he is looking to leave Schalke. If Given was our number 1, plenty of teams would be chasing Hart.

I also find it hard to believe you'd be as supportive of Joe Hart making mistakes as you are about Neuer.

The full argument absolutely baffles me. Are we talking about the same Neuer who looked like a nervous wreck at the World Cup?
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Rahart said:
Experience shouldn't matter. And it doesn't when it comes to Neuer, people talk about him being an outstanding keeper. When we talk about Hart, we've said so many times..he's only young, he'll learn.
Capello thought more of Green and calamity James. That says it all for the confidence he had in him. And yes look where Hart is now, and I'm not arguing that Hart is bad. He's not. (That said, he has no competition for the spot.)

I meant strong as in talent, not strength. He isn't as vocal as he should be but that is fixable, in all honest truth, he's a better keeper in all departments, than both ours, Given and Hart.

Hart has had a much better defence in front of him. Statistics for me are irrelevant because statistics dont' show what happened in a game. Statistics don't show that Hart might as well sat on his hands against Wigan, while Neuer got MOTM against a team where he conceded 2/3.

Nobody is chasing Hart. Everybody is after Neuer. And like I said, United are willing to pay about 20million for him.
Fergie is no fool and wouldn't pay it if he wasn't worth it, and tonight wont turn him off, in fact it is good to see such a young keeper who, while he made 1/2 mistakes, he still played confidently and made excellent saves in a game where he, like the rest of his team, could have just given up completely.

This isn't about bashing Hart, he's a brill keeper, and we're lucky to have him, but we could do better, and Neuer offers more. And it would be a mistake to see him go to United. It will be a big coup if Fergie manages to get him to United.

I know your not bashing Hart but to answer your post....

Your right Experiance doesn't matter but Capello wanted experiance in the world cup thats why Green and James went instead of Hart the same with why Downing went instead of Adam Johnson and I don't know a single blue who would rather have Downing then Johno.

Again I agree statistics don't matter but when one keeper who is at a newly promoted team does just as well as a keeper thats at a team thats always challenging for the league earning said keeper (Hart) in winning Premier League best goalkeeper 2009/2010 says alot about him.

And to finish off no-one has come in for Joe Hart simply because Joe Hart isn't looking to move like Neuer is and City are in no position to sell him unlike Shalke is for Neuer as his contract runs out in a year and he is refusing to renew it.

Capello should have trusted more in Hart. It says a lot that he went for Green and we all know how abismal he is and calamity James.
Neuer has pretty much singlehandedly has dragged his team to the CL semi final.

Hart has had an average season and Neuer has proven the incredible potential he has. It says a lot about the lad that he's captain of his side at such a young age.
For me, while Hart is a very good keeper and we could do better, and while teams are queing up for Neuer, it wouldn't do us any harm to put our Hart in.
Given will leave, and we'll only get a keeper here who is good enough, if they have a realistic chance of winning the no. 1 jersey.
Or else we'll only get a young average keeper or a older keeper who is past it.
United will put in a bit for Neuer, and they're willing to spend more than 20million and like I said, Fergie's no fool.
I think it'll be a massive victory for Fergie if he lands Neuer.

Even tonight, we saw, while he made 2 mistakes he also acted like a keeper beyond his years, he didn't let his mistakes impact his game, he pulled off a couple of world class stops. That measures how good a keeper is in my opinion.
All players make mistakes, keepers included, the thing is that a forward makes a mistake it's irrelevant, a keeper makes a mistake it usually results in a goal. But the good keepers are able to put it totally out of their mind. Average keepers like Gomes just get worse as the game goes on.
 
the EL and UCL this year have had some shockingly one sided ties. It's a joke that a semi final could be this one sided.
 
Europa League finalists Porto would have made the semis of the Champions League. Once you get past the early rounds I don't think there is much different in quality between the Champions League and Europa League casts at the moment, especially with teams like Dortmund (better than Schalke), City (now better than Spurs), and Porto (better than 90% of the Champions League teams) having been involved in the EL.
 
fucking twats, anyone else getting texts off these cunts yet? had 3, 2 of them have never been near OT
 

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