Ref for the derby

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ste.sully said:
^^^ I was kind. I gave him a chance. But he screwed up big time.

Personally I've long suspected for a number of years that match fixing is quite common in England. It's easy to forget this happened in Bundesliga and Serie A in the last 10 years. The sports journalists in this country are just scared of doing research when if they actually delved below the surface they would find something.

Lots of reasons:
- Betting is now so common. There are so many avenues that did not exist 20 years.
- Money is so intrinsically linked across the European Union. You could place a bet abroad and the chances of it being tracked are greatly reduced.
- Easy to forget referees don't actually get paid a lot of money at £100k a year in comparison to money the players earn and the betting involved. Keith Hackett talked about this a few months ago and that because no progression is being offered, referees often get to the top and become lazy. Bobby Madley is a perfect example, decent referee when he was promoted. This season he has been shambolic and looks overweight.
- Webb and Clattenburg left because of the salary.

Two particular refereeing incidents have disturbed me this season that have not in previous seasons. The yellow for Delph against Wigan then changing his mind and making it a red was just plain weird and uncomfortable with how it happened. It was a bit like "if I make this look like I've actually at least thought about it and the Wigan players are furious then no one will notice" rather than giving a straight red. They did have ridiculously long odds against us at 20/1 (extremely rare in football) it was the perfect game.

I didn't mind the Young handball as he slipped - even though it should have been a penalty. But the Young on Aguero lunge was just inexcusable. It was so obvious. To miss that as a referee at this level you either have to possess poor eyesight or be expecting an envelope in the post. It was uncomfortable to see an "experienced" referee make such a clear error. It makes you ask questions. Even Gary Neville was shocked.

I say this because if I was a referee and I fell on hard times, it would be very tempting. Think about it - 100k is not a lot of money when you see the billions that the Premier League now generates and the proliferation of betting channels. It's a soft area that is open to exploitation. I think it's time the media had a discussion about and why the standard of refereeing this season has been so poor.

As I say, sports journalists appear terrified of any investigation in match fixing in sport for fear of retaliation.
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I agree, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that it corrupt, we've had 10 absolute leg breakers this season ignored by the refs , they might not make money from it so what was the reason ? They can't stand us, jealousy , racism I don't know.
Last season v Chelsea was the 1st time I thought blatant corruption was at play from Taylor. Fast forward to the Wigan game & I saw something I'd never seen in 40 years of watching football...a ref change his Mind, corruption for all to see. There's a list as long as your arm of the bent, corrupt decisions against us this season , especially penalty decisions , almost every week we have motd trying to explain why another pen wasn't given to Man city but they've been glossed over as we've been winning ....until they finally got us, blatant pen at Anfield, non offside goal ruled out .
Then we have the wiping out of Aguero for a 100% pen , can someone come on here a tell me that ref wasn't corrupt when he waved play on, it was a serious foul & he was down for a while & Atkinson never even looked to see if he was injured, says it all.
With the accumulation of corrupt refereeing decisions coming to a head in that one incident I knew my love of the game had ended, I refuse to be conned anymore.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Do people still really believe that officials are just incompetent?

That performance today was bent as a nine bob note from beginning to end and no one with more than half a brain cell can dispute that. Neither Sky nor the PL wanted the competition to end today and they got their wish.
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Totally agree, yesterday, we saw just how a referee can manipulate a game, Atkinson was chosen for his 'experience' no doubt, but it was his experience in doing just that.

I didn't get carried away with the euphoria from the first half display, to me, it was quite obvious what was going on from very early on with Atkinson, yes, Sterling with his 50p feet makes his job harder, but his manipulation of the game was still evident.

I've lost count the past few months the amount of genuine neutrals who've lost interest in the Premier League because we are so far in front, so everybody should be prepared for a rag-red dipper shoot-out for the top next season, as per the Scudamore directive, they need to get the interest back in, and what better way to do it.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Do people still really believe that officials are just incompetent?

That performance today was bent as a nine bob note from beginning to end and no one with more than half a brain cell can dispute that. Neither Sky nor the PL wanted the competition to end today and they got their wish.
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Some still think they are just human beings who are fallible, I am not one of them they are just not up to the task and the list of absolute shockers against us just gets bigger and bigger.
 
Gray said:
Yes that is my take on it as well.

Just seen the Sergio incident and it was even worse that what I thought at the match.
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That's one reason for having VAR so bent and or incompetent refs like the one who officiated last night can be more exposed.
 
mancity1 said:
That's one reason for having VAR so bent and or incompetent refs like the one who officiated last night can be more exposed.
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You cannot have a system whereby nailed on penalties are swept under the carpet.

You will always have some that are grey and divide opinion but you have to get the key decisions in a game correct for the game to be seen as one where its adjudicated fairly and that was one which the ref got completely wrong.

Whether it was due to incompetency of he is bent only he knows and we can speculate on but if VAR was shown to him in that incident he certainly would be known as bent if he stood by his original decision.
 
mancity1 said:
That's one reason for having VAR so bent and or incompetent refs like the one who officiated last night can be more exposed.
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VAR, on the face off it, always sounded like a great idea to me, but once you see how refs can 'interpret' something and listen to what ex refs say about certain 'nailed on' incidents, you start to question their logic and begin to see how it can still be manipulated, and they will.
 
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