Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances

[BlueAnorak]

I rather suspect the latter so it would still be a penalty! You’d hope that Kane, Alle and Puncheon would have seen red under VAR but who knows?

The VAR system being trailed is with the VAR being like an assistant referee - so most decisions woukd be fairly instant - and the communications being publicly available as it could be so contentious. I doubt the referees will like that.

 

[Ric]

The diving panel is pointless really. If there is any contact with a player, no matter how minimal, then they seemingly get let off. Every time.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The VAR system being trailed is with the VAR being like an assistant referee and the communications being publicly available as it could be so contentious. I doubt the referees will like that.

I think the on-field red has to ask for advice as well! There is no need for it to be like that though, just have the VAR telling him things he’s missed.

 

[Rolee]

Kind of depends what the VAR feferal system question is. I.e. "Was that a penalty?" (no) or "Is their any reason to reverse the decision on the field?" (probably no).
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Why "probably no" on the second question? The reason to reverse the decision is there was no foul.

 

[Eds]

Two points that need changing. The first is that if a yellow card has been issued then nothing can be reviewed, this is just a big cop out. I don't know anyone who hasn't said that Alli, Kane, Murphy and Puncheon deserved reds and three game bans. The second is that VAR can be introduced today to sort out offsides. It annoys me when so called experts say he was just offside. You are either offside or not. VAR would have ruled out Swansea's goal against Watford in a matter of seconds. There is so much money involved these days it makes you wonder why the FA don't want match changing decisions correct. It happens in tennis, cricket, rugby etc so why not football? I think we all know the answer to that one don't we.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Why "probably no" on the second question? The reason to reverse the decision is there was no foul.

Well there was a possible foul outside the box. But in this case It wasn't an obvious dive so if the second question was to be asked it is unlikely to be overturned.

 

[Big Swifty]

We all know Neil Warnock is a bit of a weirdo, but last night he said that that the standard of refereeing was lower than it's ever been. Not just in his own team's game, but he also referred to recent PL games he'd seen.
Wenger (monocular vision expert) also said that refs in the Italian league were far better than ours.
I know that managers have a biased view of decisions, but I think it's beginning to be made public that our refs are far from the perfectly impartial judges we used to like to think they were. (Presumably) impartial judges like Henry Winter (amazed how Moss refused to send Puncheon off for assault) and Clattenburg (there was barely any contact for Zaha to go down, it was never a pen, and Moss was too far away to give a decision) in yesterday's "Times" are starting to see this bunch for what they \re.

I have every sympathy with refs who have to make a decision on something borderline, but these incidents are far from borderline. Refs have hidden far too long behind the excuse that they "don't have action replays like armchair viewers do", or "players make mistakes why aren't refs allowed to".
They make a rod for their own back by giving outrageous decisions (or not doing) when it is blatantly obvious what has happened.
It' time for an overhaul.

 

[Rolee]

Well there was a possible foul outside the box. But in this case It wasn't an obvious dive so if the second question was to be asked it is unlikely to be overturned.

Yep, if we're looking for the correct decision then Sterling is penalised for holding Zaha around 25 yards out.

I also agree that it wasn't an obvious dive but would VAR ask that question? Wouldn't they ask if there was a foul in the penalty area instead?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Yep, if we're looking for the correct decision then Sterling is penalised for holding Zaha around 25 yards out.

I also agree that it wasn't an obvious dive but would VAR ask that question? Wouldn't they ask if there was a foul in the penalty area instead?

It's certainly true that the rules of engagement for VAR would need defining. At the moment, I don't know what will happen this weekend.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Interestingly the one area of contention - that pundits always get wrong - may actually be revealed to the world by VAR - i.e. At what point is offside judged. Guidence is that offside is actually judged from the moment the boot/head touches the ball to kick/head it (not from the moment It leaves the boot/head). The lines superimposed on TV pictures for offside decisions are ALWAYS wrong on this point.
For example the Jesus goal from the David Silva pass after his movement beyond the (Arsenal?) back line - offside by TV punditry - was actually marginal and you would need to freeze frame it to judge offside correctly. Personally my opinion is if you need to freeze frame it then its not offside as the player is "level".