Referees/Officials

[Gordyola]

Why is the defender always labelled "stupid" or "clumsy" every time there's a dubious penalty decision? The attacker's nearly always gets the benefit of the doubt in those situations, there was contact so he's 'entitled' to go down or he had to go down theatrically to make sure the referee gives the decision. Those situations have become a 'no lose' situation for attackers, Pogba was unlikely to score from his position unless the defender either backs off for fear of conceding a penalty and allows him time and space or he does his job (ie defend) in which case he (Pogba) can try and 'win' a penalty which 'in the current climate' is happening far too often. It must be a nightmare trying to defend in those situations but it shouldn't and wouldn't be if referees did their jobs correctly. It doesn't help that the media are dictating a narrative which, for the most part, seem to go against the views of the average match going fan. Yes, we all have our blue tinted specs on when it comes to decisions for against either us or our rivals but, with all due respect, that's not a penalty.

Spot on As soon as some players get in the area they are looking to simulate a foul to gain a penalty, also know as cheating, this gives a defender a serious problem. The referee is there as a neutral, to make a decision as to if the defender fouled the attacker, unfortunately a lot of refs are not neutral and will decided dependent upon their own agenda. Oliver was told by VAR that he should check the monitor, he stood his ground and didn’t. Oliver is a ref we have issues with failing to give us penalties in the past, I recall 4 good shouts in a derby a few seasons ago and the handball at anfield last season. When he does give us a pen it will be one that doesn’t influence the result directly

 

[Blueboy73]

The laws used to say foul and abusive language, but I think that has changed now to something more subjective, like wilfully abusive, or similar.

I remember refereeing a game in Beswick or Collyhurst or somewhere. One guy in particular used a derivative of "f*ck" in nearly every sentence that came out of his mouth. He would criticise me using the word. He used it towards his teammates, his manager, opponents, everyone. Should I have sent him off for (incorrectly) calling me "f**king useless"? Maybe, or perhaps I should have cautioned him for dissent.

I didn't though. It made me think that although this was quite coarse language to my ears (strict Christian upbringing, amongst people who never swore), this was just everyday conversation to this player, and he would talk like this to his wife, kids, parents, employer, friends etc. It wouldn't have been fair of me to apply my own standards to him.

There are plenty of laws of the game that aren't applied correctly or consistently though.

Thanks for replying to my post.

It's an interesting point and there's no reason that officials can't be miked up as they are in say Rugby or Cricket to allow full transparency and large screens installed in every top flight stadium.
If players were caught using bad language they could be cautioned or dismissed if the laws allow or if the laws don't currently allow this, there's no reason that they couldn't be amended.
Let's face it, they've made so many changes recently that there's nothing to stop them ensuring bad language didn't damage their "product" further if they really wanted to.
I'm not holding my breath though as it's clear that the status quo suits their agenda and allows room for manipulation or cheating as the more pragmatic amongst us may call it.

 

[Chris in London]

Mods, ban this fucker, he’s spreading malicious falsehoods.

Everyone knows the envelopes are brown.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

Yesterday’s pen the rags got was clearly Pogbad tripping himself up, which I can accept at normal speed might/would get given, but surely that is the whole point of VAR and the pitchside monitor to make sure a correct decision is given. They even commented that it won’t get overturned, again why when it was clearly a mistake, he wasn’t fouled he tripped himself up ! That’s the 3rd time this season they have been gifted the opportunity of an extra 2 points. Fernandes is being hailed as mega star when he is clearly a cheat.
I’m not even gonna get started on how many times the dippers have been given pens, offsides, handballs etc, I knew the title was over last year as soon as Mane chucked himself on the floor in the last minute against Leicester at klanfield.
In a WhatsApp group with some pals I said after the resumption to last season that it will be rags & dippers fighting it out for the title this year and they said I must be mad- it’s clearly what the PL, the yanks and the media want.
Football as we knew it is done, and I’m off to kick the wife and watch a film with the dog .

CTID

Richard Keys on BeIN is a know-nowt plank, but I found myself agreeing with him yesterday on the Pogshit penalty issue. He kicked his own leg thus tripping himself up whilst trying to hold off Douglas Luiz.
So, it's official, touch a Ushited player in the box (or not as the case may be) and the ref or Video Ref will give the penalty. They even trip themselves up now KNOWING that one of the above will ensure the spot kick is given.
FFS when Keys can see the cheating and bias coming out of Old Toilet, that's pretty damning for the rest of the world who are pretending they can't.

 

[Cornish_Blue]

Due to the absence of crowd noise, it’s plain to here the poor little fannies screaming like a 2 year old when anyone tries to tackle them. I’ve seen bigger collisions in a supermarket. It’s EMBARRASING. How can these ‘athletes’ look at themselves on the tv. Why aren’t their team mates telling them to stop being a fücking pansy and get up.

Football is now more about the rolling around screaming and cheating than actually trying to play the sport.

 

[Eds]

A 6ft3 13 stone footballer trips himself up rolls around and wins a penalty. Good job they don’t play either rugby code. Watching Sale v Gloucester last night and a Gloucester player knock on so scrum would normally be awarded to Sale. But Sale player mockingly patted Gloucester player on head and ref reversed the decision saying something along the lines of I won’t have that sort of behaviour. Said it before but refs need to start reffing football matches according to the laws of the game, they need to be miked up as do the VAR officials. All VAR decisions need to be shown on big screen and if you don’t have at least two screens then your ground isn’t up to scratch and your place in the league can’t be taken. Clubs have no excuse for not having the required technology available. Fans need to start boycotting the game and making their voices heard. How can villa concede that penalty because ‘there was contact’ but an arm around the neck stopping a player from jumping is ok.

 

[Kippax77]

A 6ft3 13 stone footballer trips himself up rolls around and wins a penalty. Good job they don’t play either rugby code. Watching Sale v Gloucester last night and a Gloucester player knock on so scrum would normally be awarded to Sale. But Sale player mockingly patted Gloucester player on head and ref reversed the decision saying something along the lines of I won’t have that sort of behaviour. Said it before but refs need to start reffing football matches according to the laws of the game, they need to be miked up as do the VAR officials. All VAR decisions need to be shown on big screen and if you don’t have at least two screens then your ground isn’t up to scratch and your place in the league can’t be taken. Clubs have no excuse for not having the required technology available. Fans need to start boycotting the game and making their voices heard. How can villa concede that penalty because ‘there was contact’ but an arm around the neck stopping a player from jumping is ok.

I agree some sort of stance from supporters is the only way this shit is going to be addressed.
I couldn't believe the Villa players at the end of the game, shaking hands with celebrating utd players.
i would of told Michael Oliver/Paul Pogba "you are one cheating ****" and walked off to the changing room.
It seems the victims of these ludicrous decisions just accept them as part of the game, or have an attitude of "well it is Man Utd so what do you expect?"
Don't fucking train all week, or go and work on a game plan then, if all you are going to do is except the injusticies with a handshake and a "well done".

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Pogba had already gone, stupid of the defender to stick a leg in. It's cheap but it's a foul and a penalty.

Just in case you are still in any doubt...

 

[mat]

I hope the club have hacked PiGMOLs WhatsApp group so we know the score before kickoff today.

 

[bluealf]

Richard Keys on BeIN is a know-nowt plank, but I found myself agreeing with him yesterday on the Pogshit penalty issue. He kicked his own leg thus tripping himself up whilst trying to hold off Douglas Luiz.
So, it's official, touch a Ushited player in the box (or not as the case may be) and the ref or Video Ref will give the penalty. They even trip themselves up now KNOWING that one of the above will ensure the spot kick is given.
FFS when Keys can see the cheating and bias coming out of Old Toilet, that's pretty damning for the rest of the world who are pretending they can't.

Shame he never called them out when he fronted Sky football then.

The hairy handed nonce