Referees/Officials

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Serious question.

Can the PL, and to an extent UEFA, who have no affect on the PL, go another season without Manchester United being in the CL?

It's a bit like Madrid and/or Barcelona from Spain, or Bayern Munich from Germany, not being in it.

And don't forget UEFA have increased the PL CL places to 4, to try and make sure the like's of Manchester United get into the CL.

That rule change was brought about by the lIkes of Gill, who's now part of UEFA, and United, so they have more of a chance of getting a CL place.

No there's probably no weekly match fixing going on, but the tools are being put in place by those who run football to keep the cash coming in.

As with any business and group, be it legal or illegal, all that matters' is that the money doesn't stop flowing, regardless of who get's taken out, if they stand in the way, and are an obstacle.
 
Ric said:
I genuinely think that much of the "evidence" that is cited is often down to sheer incompetence on the part of the officials, and also the fact that it's an incredibly difficult job in the first place.

I do think there is a general bias towards some of the "bigger" clubs, but don't believe there's a concerted plan to ensure that it happens.
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But this 'incompetence ' very rarely manifests itself in favour of the smaller or less fancied club, whys that if it's not rigged?
 
franksinatra said:
Taylor also got Mourinho banned earlier in the season for kicking a bottle. If he does not take action against Arsene does that mean he is showing bias against United?
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Wrong I'm afraid Frank, it's been written into the FA code of conduct for managers that kicking bottles etc... is dangerous and is an instant sending off.
 
Ric said:
I genuinely think that much of the "evidence" that is cited is often down to sheer incompetence on the part of the officials, and also the fact that it's an incredibly difficult job in the first place.

I do think there is a general bias towards some of the "bigger" clubs, but don't believe there's a concerted plan to ensure that it happens.
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Absolutely agree re: incompetence vs. conspiracy. Regarding the difficult job bit: in North American sports, as the games have changed and become faster and players better and stronger, more in-game officials have been added in basketball and American football and hockey in recent years, and even more are being contemplated. All these sports also have video review to varying degrees, including baseball. I can understand the debate in football re: the latter because of pace of play and the free-flowing nature of the game (not that I'm against replay), but why can't another on-field referee be added? Another set of eyes is needed in today's game, clearly.
 
inchy14 said:
if you don't think it's fixed mate that's your problem, but yesterday and today have pretty much proved it for me.
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No, having crazy scattering theories about match fixing is your problem, not somebody else's. I do not know why there is an effort by some on here to spoil other people's enjoyment of the sport, but there is.

I suggest if they really think it is fixed then go and do something else with the remaining days of your life
 
Ric said:
I genuinely think that much of the "evidence" that is cited is often down to sheer incompetence on the part of the officials, and also the fact that it's an incredibly difficult job in the first place.

I do think there is a general bias towards some of the "bigger" clubs, but don't believe there's a concerted plan to ensure that it happens.
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The refs simply need help and putting out of their misery. It probably is an all time low standard wise but with twitter feeds, forums, 24hr football coverage every decision is analysed to the end degree and this heightens their failings.

Would you class us as one of the 'bigger clubs' that their might be a general bias towards.

I do wonder, subconsciously, if say a referee was managing a side competing for the title against a mid-table team he would be more inclined to award contentious decisions in their favour so as not too detrimentally affect that teams chances (Although I appreciate it would detrimentally affect another team) of potentially winning the title.
 
inchy14 said:
But this 'incompetence ' very rarely manifests itself in favour of the smaller or less fancied club, whys that if it's not rigged?
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I have yet to see a single domestic game which, in terms of the result, I have thought that the rags were on the wrong end of either refereeing incompetence and/or an unfortunate application of the rules.

This is not so much the case in the Champions League, where their treatment is broadly as per most of the other English-based teams.

It's an incredible coincidence that the incompetence of officials should only manifest itself when certain Clubs are (or are not) involved.

Incredible.
 
F***ing hell!

Hull should have got a clear free kick, referee ignores it, and Costa ends up scoring.
 
franksinatra said:
I agree Mancityus it was a clear penalty. You may have misunderstood me, there is a trail of thought, on here, refs are giving horrendous decisions in favour of favoured clubs to influence match results.

Posters have suggested this was done at the Arsenal Match. I just dont see, if this was the refs plan, why he would have sent Xhaka off and given Burnley a pen in injury time if his remit was to fix the result in Arsenals favour??? Seems he went about it the hard way if this was his intention.
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Again maybe he did not want to give red to Xhaka but was forced to after linesman input. Maybe after coverage of blatant Rojo tackles being ignored he was forced to give a red.

But if you are saying that big revenue generating sides do not get more calls in their favor than others then you are ignoring reality. PL is broadcast worldwide and Arsenal coming back to win goes down well with ratings and that is just how it is. For example the amount of coverage a sixth placed Man United gets in US is unbelievable - and coverage is how they are climbing into top four and how they cannot be ruled out of the title yet.

The very fact most of the conversations after close matches are about referees decisions rather than player and team performances shows there is something wrong with the current setup.
 
franksinatra said:
So there is a pro-united agenda, pro-sky top four agenda and another based on betting syndicates? Multiple agendas possibly?
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Your a contrary fella, you pick out rare examples of decisions that might be in favour of the rags opposition or on occasions City, as some sort of proof that there isn't a concerted agenda against City - but conveniently miss out that these were CORRECT decisions. These are the absolute stonewallers that to not give really would expose these people for the corrupt f*ckers they are.

Guess what, no one disputes that referees do 'on occasions' give decisions that are so clear cut that not to give them would be a very obvious dereliction of duty. No one is arguing we never get any decisions but when it comes down to the very real game changing decisions for or against it never goes in our favour.

These things are all about the context. The Sterling decision gives us the points, no doubt, and guess what - we don't get the decision. Spurs in both games last season absolutely diabolical decisions, not marginal just blatant bias - even go back to the Spurs game at WHL this season Fernandinho is blatantly pushed over in the Build up to their first goal giving them an advantageous break away. The linesman sees the G.jesus offside but inexplicably can't see the push that Guardiola clearly sees from a worse position on the other side of the pitch. The rags score 2/3 very clear offside goals to seal points but unsurprisingly ours gets ruled out.

Fernandinho gets sent off for a two footed challenge (of sorts) Rojo (twice) Young et al, get away scot-free.

The rags get 5 minutes yesterday, from where, no one seemed to know, then they get a free kick and the Stoke wall is so far back its a cinch for Rooney to get the ball up and over. Conversely, we continually get a free kick and the wall is usually about 8 yards away - negating any benefit of the free kick award.

And then into today the Arse given 8 mins of stoppage time and then a penalty in the dying seconds. Can anyone recall when we got such a game changing decision that late in the game.

How you fail to see the contrast between the treatment of City and our rivals is unfathomable, but you go on finding any little fault line you can to disprove what is the blindingly obvious, whilst us loyal City fans will continue to point out the injustices until they stop or revert to the normal level of incompetence that all teams fall victim too.
 
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Monkfish said:
No, having crazy scattering theories about match fixing is your problem, not somebody else's. I do not know why there is an effort by some on here to spoil other people's enjoyment of the sport, but there is.

I suggest if they really think it is fixed then go and do something else with the remaining days of your life
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There's been proven fixing and cheating gone on in cycling, boxing, horse racing, cricket, Italian football at the highest level, CL football, UEFA and FIFA and yet you don't think it could or will happen in the premier league?

I don't know what the desired outcome is meant to be but I'm telling you now something is going on, there's far too much to make out of it and Leicester last season should have set plenty of alarm bells ringing.

As for doing something else with my life, I'm seriously contemplating it, and after having had a season ticket sine '77 plus one for my lad for the past 14 years it'll be a sad day for me if I do. But I'm hopeful things can be overcome and the truth come out sooner rather than later.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Your a contrary fella, you pick out rare examples of decisions that might be in favour of the rags opposition or on occasions City, as some sort of proof that there isn't a concerted agenda against City - but conveniently miss out that these were CORRECT decisions. These are the absolute stonewallers that to not give really would expose these people for the corrupt f*ckers they are.

Guess what, no one disputes that referees do 'on occasions' give decisions that are so clear cut that not to give them would be a very obvious dereliction of duty. No one is arguing we never get any decisions but when it comes down to the very real game changing decisions for or against it never goes in our favour.

These things are all about the context. The Sterling decision gives us the points, no doubt, and guess what - we don't get the decision. Spurs in both games last season absolutely diabolical decisions, not marginal just blatant bias - even go back to the Spurs game at WHL this season Fernandinho is blatantly pushed over in the Build up to their first goal. The linesman sees the G.jesus offside but inexplicably can't see the push that Guardiola clearly sees from a worse position on the other side of the pitch. The rags score 2/3 very clear offside goals to seal points but unsurprisingly ours gets ruled out.

Fernandinho gets sent off for a two footed challenge (of sorts) Rojo (twice) Young et al, get away scot-free.

The rags get 5 minutes yesterday, from where, no one seemed to know, then they get a free kick and the Stoke wall is so far back its a cinch for Rooney to get the ball up and over. Conversely, we continually get a free kick and the wall is usually about 8 yards away - negating any benefit of the free kick award.

And then into today the Arse given 8 mins of stoppage time and then a penalty in the dying seconds. Can anyone recall when we got such a game changing decision that late in the league.

How you fail to see the contrast between the treatment of City and our rivals is unfathomable, but you go on finding any little fault line you can to disprove what is the blindingly obvious, whilst us loyal City fans will continue to point out the injustices until they stop or revert to the normal level of incompetence that all teams fall victim too.
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So if it is blindingly obvious why cannot it be agreed on who the Agenda is in favour off?

How would a referee finding in favour of Arsenal today help Manchester United the club you have often stated the Agenda is designed to benefit?

Please dont play the loyal city fan card with me either as if you have to believe in the Agenda to be one.
 
Maybe they just want the old big top 4 back.

Also if the certain teams could force the forging of the PL by threatening to break away and form a European super league, what's to stop them saying they want guaranteed top 4 or they'll do the same? Scudamore has already said a weak rags team is bad for the brand, why not the same regarding dippers Arsenal and Chelsea?
 
Blue Mooner said:
Your a contrary fella, you pick out rare examples of decisions that might be in favour of the rags opposition or on occasions City, as some sort of proof that there isn't a concerted agenda against City - but conveniently miss out that these were CORRECT decisions. These are the absolute stonewallers that to not give really would expose these people for the corrupt f*ckers they are.

Guess what, no one disputes that referees do 'on occasions' give decisions that are so clear cut that not to give them would be a very obvious dereliction of duty. No one is arguing we never get any decisions but when it comes down to the very real game changing decisions for or against it never goes in our favour.

These things are all about the context. The Sterling decision gives us the points, no doubt, and guess what - we don't get the decision. Spurs in both games last season absolutely diabolical decisions, not marginal just blatant bias - even go back to the Spurs game at WHL this season Fernandinho is blatantly pushed over in the Build up to their first goal giving them an advantageous break away. The linesman sees the G.jesus offside but inexplicably can't see the push that Guardiola clearly sees from a worse position on the other side of the pitch. The rags score 2/3 very clear offside goals to seal points but unsurprisingly ours gets ruled out.

Fernandinho gets sent off for a two footed challenge (of sorts) Rojo (twice) Young et al, get away scot-free.

The rags get 5 minutes yesterday, from where, no one seemed to know, then they get a free kick and the Stoke wall is so far back its a cinch for Rooney to get the ball up and over. Conversely, we continually get a free kick and the wall is usually about 8 yards away - negating any benefit of the free kick award.

And then into today the Arse given 8 mins of stoppage time and then a penalty in the dying seconds. Can anyone recall when we got such a game changing decision that late in the game.

How you fail to see the contrast between the treatment of City and our rivals is unfathomable, but you go on finding any little fault line you can to disprove what is the blindingly obvious, whilst us loyal City fans will continue to point out the injustices until they stop or revert to the normal level of incompetence that all teams fall victim too.
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Don't give him the oxygen mate. Guy is either: a) Deluded; b) attention seeker c) lonely d) a red e) all of the preceding i.e. a red again

Be interesting if someone could pull together the stats on controversial match-winning decisions for city, scum, dippers, Chelsea, arsenal and spurs over the last 5 years. Just a hunch, but I reckon we'd be well and truly rooted to the bottom of that mini league.
 
So I take it that one of the Van Basten ideas has already been implemented for a while now in the premier league.
 
franksinatra said:
No I agree it was a clear pen. But if there was a bias towards Arsenal by the ref he could have easily just given Xhaka a booking and let the game continue which probably would have resulted in a comfortable, non-controversial Arsenal victory.

Also if were saying refs are being biased, if that is the case surely the ref would have overlooked the Burnley pen and sending off to ensure an Arsenal victory?
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The whole problem is 'incorrect' decisions going against some teams and for other teams, fuck all to do with 'correct' decisions.
 
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