Refugee crisis

[jay_mcfc]

Reading some of the views on here I can sadly say that I'm ashamed to consider myself a Blue....

Absolute Vermin. No compassion for fellow human beings, never mind those Humans who would share a common interest with.

As far as I'm concerned I'd personally throw you ignorant bigoted cunts out of Manchester right now and you'll be claiming asylum in the Swamp.

To be honest it has nothing to do with what football team anyone supports. The same shite will be being spouted on football sites up and down the country. I'd cart them all of on to the next boat to Syria

 

[coleridge]

To be fair, it's only the same small (albeit vocal) minority who try and dominate most political discussions on here with their right-wing rhetoric.

I'd say most people with any degree of compassion think we should be accepting refugees in the UK to help avert a humanitarian disaster.

Quite right.

However, I am utterly amazed that it is suddenly a disaster when I saw from Dubai four years ago that there was already civil war in the Middle East and the wealthier Syrians and Libyans, for example, were living in hotels in Dubai awaiting flights to the West, where they were warmly welcomed with their cash and assets.

This is a vastly complex subject. I wonder, for example, what Palestinians, who has spent 3, 4 or 5 generations living in refugee camps, think of Geldof offering his homes to Syrians.

I know one thing for sure. All refugees/migrants being offered homes in Germany, UK and elsewhere will never, ever go back to their former countries. Where does that leave Syria, for example? Assad has already said that he had run out of soldiers.

My tribal relatives in Afghanistan having been fighting a civil war for over two decades with no sign of peace. For me, the likes of Syria, Libya and Iraq are finished as viable countries and so the West should turn its minds to that void rather than posturing about tents in the garden.

I am deeply saddened to see the plight of the children. Hence, it sickens me to see the current hypocrisy and opportunism from the likes of that detestable Sturgeon woman.

Oh, and one more thing. I'll tell you why Germany want 'them'. They have an ageing population with fat bellies and equally fat pensions. Someone will have to wipe their arses, won't they? Don't be fooled by 'Mamma Merkel'. As with keeping Greece in the EU, she has Bundesbank at heart.

All is not what it seems.

Rant over.

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

Honestly i'm not surprised by some of the views expressed in this thread. There's a far right section on this forum who tend to position themselves as centre right, however in threads like this their true colours shine through. Makes for very depressing reading.

Still the number of top Blues taking them to task and showing them up for the mildly sociopathic ignorant bigots that they are is always a welcome sight.

They should be named, shamed and challenged every time they post ignorant bollocks. Can you believe someone posted something about 'building more mosques' earlier on this thread (thankfully the mods removed it).

I'm clocking the same names popping up time and time again whenever the thread has a Muslim element to it. And looking through some older threads I haven't found anything to challenge my observation yet.

I'm also finding they know fuck all and only seem to search out information that further compounds their antiquated beliefs and prejudices.

Can't we swap the refugees and send all of these idiots to 'get rid of ISIS'?

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

No they aren't they are still refugees as they are not "free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind".

As refugees "They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves".

Thanks for clearing that up Ken, you've saved me a job. ;)

 

[BillyShears]

They should be named, shamed and challenged every time they post ignorant bollocks. Can you believe someone posted something about 'building more mosques' earlier on this thread (thankfully the mods removed it).

I'm clocking the same names popping up time and time again whenever the thread has a Muslim element to it. And looking through some older threads I haven't found anything to challenge my observation yet.

I'm also finding they know fuck all and only seem to search out information that further compounds their antiquated beliefs and prejudices.

Can't we swap the refugees and send all of these idiots to 'get rid of ISIS'?

I've not really the time, inclination, heart, whatever, to argue with a bigot on the internet. Years ago maybe i'd have gotten myself worked up but not now. I rarely even come into the threads. This one I read because I thought it'd be different, but no, even dead children washing up on a beach is an excuse for some people to talk about carpet bombing Muslim countries as a default setting solution to all the world's ills.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

There is a reason Cameron has said the UK will take refugees directly from the refugee camps. It's because they are refugees. The moment they leave the place of refuge and illegally cross a border they are no longer entitled to the legal rights of a refugee. They are de facto illegal immigrants.

No they aren't they are still refugees as they are not "free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind".

As refugees "They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves".

They may still be refugees but they are also illegal immigrants. It's written in black and white that they only have the right to enter directly from the state in which they were being persecuted. Remember that there is an obligation on the part of the refugees too.

or perhaps we don't care about any of that.

Article 31

refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

1. Article 2
   
   general oBligations

Every refugee has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.

So if they want to pass through the borders of one state to another they can do so, with the correct papers and within the legal framework of the country they took refuge in.

That doesn't involve paying smugglers to get them out on one country and into another illegally, nor does it involve civil unrest in order to pass illegally through one country to another.

This is why Cameron has said the UK will take people directly from the camps only and not those who don't want to accept their obligations as refugees.

 

[inbetween]

I believe the country is overpopulated (one of the most densely populated in Europe) and that preparing for immigration by building houses and increasing school and hospital provision is pie in the sky thinking considering all of those services are currently overrun. The only migrants I want entering Britain are those who are taking jobs we can't (not won't) do ourselves - such as a doctor shortage - and I would prefer it if those jobs were skilled. We can train our own unemployed cheaply to take unskilled positions.

I couldn't care less if those skilled migrants believed in Jesus, Buddha or the flying spaghetti monster.

But this is not about getting workers in, these people are not illegal immigrants coming to scrounge. These people have fled their country because they are left with no choice as their houses and livelihoods are literally being blown apart. ISIS have taken the majority of the ground in Syria and an almost completely separate civil war has been raging for years in the capital Damascus, what can they do but leave for their own safety?

I personally don't care if we have the resources or not, you cannot ignore the fact that we have a responsibility as humans to do what we can. I'm not saying we should let everyone in either, this is not about that, it isn't about being on the left or right but rather being a human. Anyone fleeing war or persecution should rightly be offered asylum here or anywhere else for their own safety. Anyone else who is essentially coming for a better life or to scrounge or for whatever reason cannot enter legally and there are things in place to prevent that, none of that is about to change.

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

I replied to that but you must be hard of reading or incapable of looking for any post that doesn't fit your narrative.You carry on making excuses for the bigots in the ME and I and many like me will welcome these asylum seekers into our country without prejudice.
If you don't think religion isn't a root cause of this together with the power struggle you just ain't reading the situation right. Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers?








Why did you answer to my reply and then forget that I answered? If you can't extrapolate that the bigots I was referring to were the states surrounding Syria and not allowing any in (As the contextual toing and froing was suggesting) then your comprehension is in need of some attention.

I'm not going to argue but the sheer irony of your post is laughable. And I note the initial 'have you got a problem with that' internet faux badman has been replaced with 'you must be hard of reading' cheap base level insults. I wouldn't want to accuse someone of that if I couldn't even manage the complexities of the quote function.

And your 'Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers? line. Why do you ask this? Is it beyond your relm of comprehension to understand that a white non Muslim Mancunian could be in support of fellow human beings getting a little help in their time of need?

And you use the word 'bigot' FFS.

 

[bellbuzz]

I'm not going to argue but the sheer irony of your post is laughable. And I note the initial 'have you got a problem with that' internet faux badman has been replaced with 'you must be hard of reading' cheap base level insults. I wouldn't want to accuse someone of that if I couldn't even manage the complexities of the quote function.

And your 'Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers? line. Why do you ask this? Is it beyond your relm of comprehension to understand that a white non Muslim Mancunian could be in support of fellow human beings getting a little help in their time of need?

And you use the word 'bigot' FFS.

The discussion was about the gulf states do keep up. And like you although I don't add a caveat I would accept people who need our help without question. You running around checking the board and shaming posters either on this thread or through their posting history makes you look ridiculous and childish.
This thread is about asylum seekers not some banal 5th columnist witch-hunt run by the boards self proclaimed great and good.

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

The discussion was about the gulf states do keep up. And like you although I don't add a caveat I would accept people who need our help without question. You running around checking the board and shaming posters either on this thread or through their posting history makes you look ridiculous and childish.
This thread is about asylum seekers not some banal 5th columnist witch-hunt run by the boards self proclaimed great and good.

'Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers?'
How does that make you look?

 

[The blue phantom]

That's going to piss a fair few on here off, our shithouse of a leader eventually caving in to public demand..

 

[bellbuzz]

'Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers?'
How does that make you look?

The links were posted earlier. Maybe instead of checking on other posters like a fool you start getting with the thread. You're just another cheap political point scorer.

 

[The blue phantom]

As you know, they like to call themselves the 'silent majority' and live in a world where only Nick Griffin talks sense.

Edited that for you mate.

 

[Cellarite]

There is a reason Cameron has said the UK will take refugees directly from the refugee camps. It's because they are refugees. The moment they leave the place of refuge and illegally cross a border they are no longer entitled to the legal rights of a refugee. They are de facto illegal immigrants.


They may still be refugees but they are also illegal immigrants. It's written in black and white that they only have the right to enter directly from the state in which they were being persecuted. Remember that there is an obligation on the part of the refugees too.

or perhaps we don't care about any of that.





So if they want to pass through the borders of one state to another they can do so, with the correct papers and within the legal framework of the country they took refuge in.

That doesn't involve paying smugglers to get them out on one country and into another illegally, nor does it involve civil unrest in order to pass illegally through one country to another.

This is why Cameron has said the UK will take people directly from the camps only and not those who don't want to accept their obligations as refugees.

Someone should make sure that the refugees understand all of this before they flee their homes.

"You can leave your war-torn home for this country but if you try to get to a destination where you'd like to be, it'll be back to Syria for you and we won't even offer you your BFH."

Jesus wept.

 

[bucks]

Any idea why the Europeans are not putting more pressure on the Gulf states to do more. At the moment they seem to be doing fuck all despite their huge resources and shared faith. Puzzled.

 

[Monkfish]

Any idea why the Europeans are not putting more pressure on the Gulf states to do more. At the moment they seem to be doing fuck all despite their huge resources and shared faith. Puzzled.

I would imagine they are, just not publicly, you cant really do that with dictatorships.

As regards the 'shared faith' you now how the catholics and protestants fight in Ireland - well they are still Christians - its a bit like that but actually far more complex due to the number of states/factions within states/unstable states

 

[Cellarite]

You certainly don't, maybe the unarmed students, farmers, accountants, doctors, retired council workers and bricklayers of Syria could give ISIS a big wedgie? Or challenge them to a game of Twister, winner gets to keep Syria? Or get them to all sit on the floor Gandhi style protesting and hope that they still have a head on their shoulders after ISIS show?

Maybe they just need a charismatic leader like you Stew who can lead them armed with some arch tactics you learned whilst playing Call of Duty

I've changed my mind about these refugees anyway Stew, if they cant even be arsed overthrowing ISIS they are no good to us the lazy sods- I know it can be done I can take over a whole base on Metal Gear using no weapons

Post of the day.

 

[Cellarite]

I would imagine they are, just not publicly, you cant really do that with dictatorships.

As regards the 'shared faith' you now how the catholics and protestants fight in Ireland - well they are still Christians - its a bit like that but actually far more complex due to the number of states/factions within states/unstable states

I like you.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

This is clearly an emotional issue. We are in a position to help the poor sods. What excuse have any of us got to not do that? It's not down to race or religion, it's about being human.

 

[Why Always Ste]

They should be named, shamed and challenged every time they post ignorant bollocks. Can you believe someone posted something about 'building more mosques' earlier on this thread (thankfully the mods removed it).

I'm clocking the same names popping up time and time again whenever the thread has a Muslim element to it. And looking through some older threads I haven't found anything to challenge my observation yet.

I'm also finding they know fuck all and only seem to search out information that further compounds their antiquated beliefs and prejudices.

Can't we swap the refugees and send all of these idiots to 'get rid of ISIS'?

Exactly. Far too many of these bigots make the comments such as: "let's go and wipe out ISIS", yet they wouldn't pick up a gun themselves and go over there.
if they are incapable then fair enough but why expect someone else do to this?

War is not the answer.

I had one prick spouting to me: "we should look after our own" on FarceFuck and I told him my background of helping homeless people directly on the ground in Manchester.
He soon shut the fuck up.