Religion

[Octavian]

I think there is a big difference between faith and religion and I personally don’t see historical accuracy of something that a lot of posters don’t see as relevant either way, as addressing the issue of God and creation regardless of how well up you are on the history of religion.
Thst to me seems like an entirely different debate or argument and a very interesting one in itself.

But in my humble opinion, several people in here seem to be fundamentally of the same opinion regarding creationism but are debating different arguments and thus not agreeing with one another .
Now maybe I’m the one picking that up incorrectly, if so, apologies.

To me all the Quran and the bible prove, is that religion is man made. Regardless of who existed and who didn’t. Anything after that comes down to faith.

You’ve got that correct but the reason I started to debate in this thread was because people were saying things about Christianity that were completely incorrect and several have continued to post bad sources and make poor arguments.

Some of the first people I questioned were saying Jesus likely didn’t exist, which is not true, he very likely did.

Too many are in the “fuck off it’s all bollocks” camp and don’t want to learn about different religions.

You are religious because you have faith is how I look at it.

I don’t know if there’s a god or not, neither does anyone else.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I’ve not skipped anything, I said on the other page that it’s more likely Islam or Christianity are true than others because it’s almost certain their main protagonists existed and we know that gods of celestial events don’t exist as we’ve studied those events, whereas the god of the Bible or Quran sits outside of space time and therefore we cannot prove a negative as you say.

Do I believe either of those religions claims? No I do not and I agree it was a very superstitious time.

You wouldn’t have the chance to disprove anything in the Bible using science without scholars first determining what is biblical canon and what isn’t.

Firstly you have to recognise what you want to try and disprove.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Leviticus isn’t in the Christian part of the Bible and Christians are specifically told not to engage with that part within Paul’s Letters. The point of the Christian part is to fulfil the rest of the Bible and Jesus corrects how previous parts of scripture.

And therin lies a major problem with religion and its many texts and scriptures. The parts that support the narrative are embraced, and the parts that don't are ignored, or 'not meant to be taken literally'.

'Blessed are the Cheese Makers'.

 

[Marklr]

You don’t care about Scholars views, even atheist ones and you think the NT is all bollocks as well?

All this says to me is you’re satisfied with your complete ignorance on the subject. I’d rather know my stuff on it and seem clever than post Matt fucking Dillahunty. My word, it’s embarrassing. If you don’t care to learn it and understand it then what’s the fucking point on claiming you’re right in anyway?

Leviticus isn’t in the Christian part of the Bible and Christians are specifically told not to engage with that part within Paul’s Letters. The point of the Christian part is to fulfil the rest of the Bible and Jesus corrects how previous parts of scripture.

You’re one of those who acts as if the Bible is all one book, with one point of view, that’s all meant to be taken literally. You don’t want to learn.

It’s complete ignorance and arrogance at the same time and you called me arrogant.

I don't care about the NT. does it correct all the mistakes of the OT? Why would anybody be interested in some smart arse's view on something that is clearly fiction. If Matt Dillahunty or any of the talk show hosts was an expert on the NT and that's what he only talked about, it wouldn't be worth watching.
So we have to study all of the NT to realise that there is still no god?
That perfect word of god, eh? Are Christians instructed to ignore other things in the OT? Like the creation? Noah's Ark?

 

[Octavian]

And therin lies a major problem with religion and its many texts and scriptures. The parts that support the narrative are embraced, and the parts that don't are ignored, or 'not meant to be taken literally'.

'Blessed are the Cheese Makers'.

It’s not really picking and choosing tho, Leviticus is in the Jewish Bible (the Torah) and the context is that it’s god giving instructions to the Israelites. Christians in the 1st and 2nd century, when Jews were still following the laws given, had dropped it because the New Covenant, in the NT, superseded it from a Christian perspective.

 

[Octavian]

I know you’re a young man but you’re still too old for the style in which you engage.

 

[Octavian]

I don't care about the NT. does it correct all the mistakes of the OT? Why would anybody be interested in some smart arse's view on something that is clearly fiction. If Matt Dillahunty or any of the talk show hosts was an expert on the NT and that's what he only talked about, it wouldn't be worth watching.
So we have to study all of the NT to realise that there is still no god?
That perfect word of god, eh? Are Christians instructed to ignore other things in the OT? Like the creation? Noah's Ark?

You call it fiction but a large chunk of it isn’t fiction and there’s plenty of historical fact in the NT. Matt Dillahunty spends a significant amount of time debating Christians and Christianity is the New Testament, why wouldn’t he talk about the New Testament to Christians, it’s basically their entire religion?

If you’re out to disprove Christianity and are going to criticise a religion you should at least read it and understand it. I rarely say much on Islam because I’ve not read the Quran in full and I don’t understand it fully.

Christians are told to not follow parts of Jewish law by Paul. Jesus is also quoted in the gospels as offering differing views of the law that were found in the Books of Moses.

It wouldn’t be worth watching for you because you prefer a simplistic slap-dash style of argument where knuckle heads like Dillahunty say stupid things like “what about slavery?” to people who are instructed to not follow that bit of scripture. It’s like listening to Simon Jordan talk about Sheikh Mansour on talksport, it’s a colossal waste of time and brain cells.

 

[Marklr]

You call it fiction but a large chunk of it isn’t fiction and there’s plenty of historical fact in the NT. Matt Dillahunty spends a significant amount of time debating Christians and Christianity is the New Testament, why wouldn’t he talk about the New Testament to Christians, it’s basically their entire religion?

If you’re out to disprove Christianity and are going to criticise a religion you should at least read it and understand it. I rarely say much on Islam because I’ve not read the Quran in full and I don’t understand it fully.

Christians are told to not follow parts of Jewish law by Paul. Jesus is also quoted in the gospels as offering differing views of the law that were found in the Books of Moses.

It wouldn’t be worth watching for you because you prefer a simplistic slap-dash style of argument where knuckle heads like Dillahunty say stupid things like “what about slavery?” to people who are instructed to not follow that bit of scripture. It’s like listening to Simon Jordan talk about Sheikh Mansour on talksport, it’s a colossal waste of time and brain cells.

Ok...let's ignore slavery in the Bible.
How would I disprove Christianity? I know it exists. If you're talking about Jesus as a real person, it's irrelevant. If you're talking about Jesus as a supernatural being...good luck with that.
Does the NT tell people that slavery is bad? Oh yeah...soz..that's below you, isn't it?
And thnks for confirming that the bible is NOT the perfect word of any god.

 

[Octavian]

Ok...let's ignore slavery in the Bible.
How would I disprove Christianity? I know it exists. If you're talking about Jesus as a real person, it's irrelevant. If you're talking about Jesus as a supernatural being...good luck with that.
Does the NT tell people that slavery is bad? Oh yeah...soz..that's below you, isn't it?
And thnks for confirming that the bible is NOT the perfect word of any god.

You know your problem mark, is you’re still arguing at me as if I’m a Christian. I’m not saying Jesus is a supernatural being. Your other problem is you’re still looking at the Bible as one big book, rather than a collection for different times, with different authors and different contexts.

You say Jesus is irrelevant on a thread about religion when he’s the main protagonist in the largest religion ever and still the largest today, whilst you want to talk about slavery in the non Christian part of the Bible?

I never said the Bible is the perfect word of god, I’ve spent the last few days highlighting its inconsistencies.

 

[Marklr]

You know your problem mark, is you’re still arguing at me as if I’m a Christian. I’m not saying Jesus is a supernatural being. Your other problem is you’re still looking at the Bible as one big book, rather than a collection for different times, with different authors and different contexts.

You say Jesus is irrelevant on a thread about religion when he’s the main protagonist in the largest religion ever and still the largest today, whilst you want to talk about slavery in the non Christian part of the Bible?

I never said the Bible is the perfect word of god, I’ve spent the last few days highlighting its inconsistencies.

No...I know you're not a Christian. I just don't get why we have to study the NT to debate whether the Universe was created. Or whether slavery in the bible is wrong. I posted a video that was specifically concerning slavery in the bible and you got upset because we're not experts in the NT. Or that it's not scholars discussing it.
As for the call in shows...I know they're entertainment. That's why I watch them.