Roberto Mancini

Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Must have missed that game - he was absolute gash...........
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No he was. That ignores the time of it. Left backs are hard to come by, and in fact even harder to come by now. Thats why we have Mendy and a midfielder in Zinchenko play there. We needed a recognised left back and there were few about. Good signing at the time. Shame he turned out to be a fanny
 
mccity said:
Yeah I don't love (or hate) him either, it's just I've seen a lot of comments over the pages building up to my post, so I was wondering if I was missing something by not thinking he was the devil or something.

The standard of club football has really accelerated away from international football over the last decade. Tactics are too evolved, and as you said in an earlier post there's just no time to replicate it at international level.


International football is full of managers whose best traits are more in line with man management than tactics. There's a reason why none of the best managers manage countries, Luis Enrique aside. Although Mancini is a very very good manager, his stock was at its lowest ever when he took the Italy job.

I don't want to take away from Mancini. Italy were comfortably the best team at the Euros and he played a huge role in that. But the competition he had was dire, which is a reflection on international football more than anything.
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I was talking about Chapman.

I love Bobby Manc.
 
Rascal said:
International teams do not play in the Europa League..

I do honestly believe that the standard of international football is probably at an all time low. That was more my point as it is in my opinion no longer the pinnacle of the game. Burley may have been a stretch, but I would expect any of the last 16 in the CL to win the Euro's.

I would certainly expect City to beat any of the international teams from across the world.
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Burnley obviously. They played in 2018-19 edition, eliminated by olympiacos at the qualifying round. 3-1 away loss, 1-0 win at home.

British football teams that play in a style like Burnley (kick and rush 4-4-2) traditionally don't do very well or underachieve. Stoke before them. Liverpool under Shankly, before they transitioned to a more continental style of play under Bob Paisley.

We got beat by Lyon the 7th best team in France last year. Expectations can sometimes be wildly optimistic.


Immobile has a similar international goals record to Jermain Defoe, it is daft to say he couldn't get in a Premier league team when lots of teams play strikers on barren runs.

Whether he would adapt to pace and style of play is a different matter, but he is still a good standard of player. Just because he isn't tier 1 or 2, it doesn't make him a poor player.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Burnley obviously. They played in 2018-19 edition, eliminated by olympiacos at the qualifying round. 3-1 away loss, 1-0 win at home.

British football teams that play in a style like Burnley (kick and rush 4-4-2) traditionally don't do very well or underachieve. Stoke before them. Liverpool under Shankly, before they transitioned to a more continental style of play under Bob Paisley.

We got beat by Lyon the 7th best team in France last year. Expectations can sometimes be wildly optimistic.


Immobile has a similar international goals record to Jermain Defoe, it is daft to say he couldn't get in a Premier league team when lots of teams play strikers on barren runs.

Whether he would adapt to pace and style of play is a different matter, but he is still a good standard of player. Just because he isn't tier 1 or 2, it doesn't make him a poor player.
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Very few Italian strikers have been successful in England. Ravanelli at Bore-o maybe, whereas Bianchi really struggled, so I’m not sure that he would be a hit over here.
 
Vienna_70 said:
Very few Italian strikers have been successful in England. Ravanelli at Bore-o maybe, whereas Bianchi really struggled, so I’m not sure that he would be a hit over here.
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Your overall point is relevant but didn't Ravanelli hit something daft like 32 goals the year Boro were relegated?

Did he score a hat trick on debut (just had a bit of a MOTD flashback)?
 
Vienna_70 said:
Very few Italian strikers have been successful in England. Ravanelli at Bore-o maybe, whereas Bianchi really struggled, so I’m not sure that he would be a hit over here.
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Fair point which I briefly touched on. Even players coming via Serie A but of foreign nationality haven't set the world on fire, Higuain broke the all-time record for most goals in a single season but was patchy at best at Chelsea.

Most Italian strikers have more to their game than their English counterparts. Generational talents (Rooney and Kane) most English players didn't do much besides score goals, Italian players will usually run themselves into the ground for their team or create more.

Michael Owen never really added anything more to his game than, run really quick get on a through ball and shoot.
 
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Fode N The Hole said:
Burnley obviously. They played in 2018-19 edition, eliminated by olympiacos at the qualifying round. 3-1 away loss, 1-0 win at home.

British football teams that play in a style like Burnley (kick and rush 4-4-2) traditionally don't do very well or underachieve. Stoke before them. Liverpool under Shankly, before they transitioned to a more continental style of play under Bob Paisley.

We got beat by Lyon the 7th best team in France last year. Expectations can sometimes be wildly optimistic.


Immobile has a similar international goals record to Jermain Defoe, it is daft to say he couldn't get in a Premier league team when lots of teams play strikers on barren runs.

Whether he would adapt to pace and style of play is a different matter, but he is still a good standard of player. Just because he isn't tier 1 or 2, it doesn't make him a poor player.
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I didn't say Immobile was a poor player, I said he was Barnsley standard.

Would you expect Chelsea to beat Italy?
 
Rascal said:
I didn't say Immobile was a poor player, I said he was Barnsley standard.

Would you expect Chelsea to beat Italy?
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You said Barnsley and Bolton standard. Bolton are in league one.

Which side would Jorginho play in? :)

Immobile has the joint record for goals in a single season.


Football records and statistics in Italy - Wikipedia

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Rascal said:
Which proves my point beautifully.

How many Italian teams make the latter stages of the CL nowadays?
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As many Italian teams in the last 16 as English in 20-21.

It’s not as difficult to score in the Italian league as it once was, but it isn't an easy feat to get the numbers Immobile has recorded.

Ironically Rascal, you are expressing the kind of attitude that has held England back on the international stage. Paoli Rossi is revered for his world cup winning exploits but his goal return isn't that impressive in club football.

Is international football at the same standard as top class club football? No.

But the championship at best stuff is just daft.
 
Rascal said:
Because he is Barnsley standard.

Thanks for making my point, i have gone from embarrassing myself to having the point reinforced by yourself. He would not play in a top PL team.

Good here innit :))
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Where did I say he was Barnsley standard? I clearly pointed out we wouldn’t sign him because of his age when we need a striker to get us through the next 5+ years. If he was 24/25 I would say yes we definitely should be interested.
 
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