dazdon said:
brass neck said:
No I'm ignoring someone's take on it. I come from a perspective that most people no matter what colour they are, generally are inherently good. Scum bags do stuff like that, scum bags belittle daughter in laws. My white British wife had to put up with all sorts of shit from her husbands family in her first marriage. She was put down in public, belittled, her confidence took a pounding, she would be told she was fat, her hair was stupid, she was thick (all dressed up in the cowards vale of banter) it happens everywhere. My Asian doctor wouldnt beat his wife. My wife's friend who married a Asian lad has had nothing but support from her family especially as the lad works 7 days a week 10 hours a day. The Muslim guy across the road from me most definitely does not wear the trousers in his house I can say very confidently. Don't let understandable outrage let bad things into the issue. This is not a time to begin or at least instigating throwing the baby out with the bath water. Let's just sort some scumbags out.
Who has mentioned throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
As it happens these crimes committed in Rotherham have been committed by (An overwhelming majority) of Pakistani (Not Asian) men. In this instance we start exactly there and then bring to book the enablers who didn't report or prosecute when they had reports to work with.
Recognising the problem in these towns is a start and from that start we can start trying to solve the issue by implementing workable solutions that councils and the police have to abide by.
The message should be simple.
Children in this country should never be seen as targets for sex and anyone offending and targeting children should face the full force of the law....without ethnic sensibilities getting in the way.
Which is exactly what happened here.
I can't disagree with any of that Daz, not sure anyone else can either.
On a slight side issue, and not isolated to this one case, I think British society as a whole, has a problem with how it treats young white girls (and boys) from difficult backgrounds.
Growing up, I can distinctly remember that the girls from the children's home were considered fair game for a shag, as distasteful as it sounds. Everyone from dodgy adults, to dodgy coppers,to a very dodgy DJ, to young lads who didn't know what to do with their first hard on, used to sniff around them (and this was in a town where the Pakistani community consisted of one old giffer and his wife in the corner shop).
I don't think attitudes have changed very much either to be honest. Terms like 'Trailer Trash', 'Kappa Slappers', 'Chav Slags' etc, are still banded around about young girls from deprived and troubled backgrounds, and they tend to be housed in areas that are less than salubrious shit holes (See the post above about the care home in Rochdale).
An ex of mine had problems at home growing up and was put in a care home in Burnely (a bloody rough part of Burnley it was too!). She told me tales of the street outside being full of men in the evening, half of them wanting to shag them, half of them wanting to burn the place down because it was full of 'slags and prostitutes'. These were 14, 15 year old girls, many of whom had already been sexually abused in some way by members of their own family, she said living there was one of the scariest times of her life, when it should have been a safe haven!
I don't think the Pakistani men of Rotheram and Rochdale targeted these girls because they are white, they targeted them because no one really gives a fuck about these 'problem' girls, and therefore they are more likely to get away with their sick crimes.
That these misogynistic, depraved, Pakistani men, treated these girls as less than human, isn't in doubt. However, the authorities and organisations that were meant to care and look after them, seem to have thought of them as less than human too. The establishment thinks of them as less than human, and society at large doesn't really like to think about them at all.
