Tuearts right boot
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Maybe it keeps the tank crews happy until......
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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cleavers
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We've been sending them, and training their soldiers for at least 8 years (name of the op is available on google/wikipedia), and we've been delivering them daily since this kicked off.So it is being talked about today that we might send ukraine anti tank and anti aircraft weapons , thought we were the first in the world to give them these weapons ?
They are flown to the nearest airport in Poland, and then transported onwards by road.
MillionMilesAway
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Seems like the worst job going right now.
The Russians have started welding a sort of cage on top of their tanks (the missiles fly up in the air and come down on the roof of the tank where the armour is thinner.
Based on the number of destroyed tanks and APCs with cages welded on the top it seems to have made no difference at all.
I wouldn't have thought it would offer much defence against the concussion of the blast on a steel box, or that the blast would do the electrical connections much good.
Elbow beards
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No mate, mine was army not navy. :)Beard ?
You can see a before/after here -
Shows how scared the tank crews must be though.
That’s not stopping a Javlin!
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Johnson did say that they’re anticipating taking in hundreds of thousands in the coming months, though that is admittedly little comfort to those seeking refuge now.
Words are cheap
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Inch by inch, the world moves closer to World War 3
From somewhere the world needs a person who will bring some sanity to the situation, because if it does not happen, Russia has over 2,500 nuclear weapons. MAD becomes reality.
Very worrying times.
Isn't this a little fearmongering?
There will be no WW3 unless NATO steps in with 'boots on the ground' and they are acutely aware of that.
The sanctions applied will really bite the Russian economy and ability to wage any long term war. Give them chance to take proper effect.
Perhaps communications between the west and Russia bought some sort of agreement thereby stopping the MIG transfer, who knows.
Whether you realize it or not, negotiations are ongoing to try and resolve this and that takes time. Putin has already set out his demands and they will always be higher than what he would actually accept, that's how negotiation works. He would benefit from negotiating from a position of power, but with the slow progress of his military and the global sanctions, how powerful that is remains in question. His power will come from threats and bullying.........and civilian loss of life. All of this media coverage showing dead women and children just strengthens his position.
To get any sort of resolution in this, the absolute minimum is that he will have to come out of this as being seen 'victorious' and having achieved his objectives. I think however this plays out, the eastern areas of Luhansk and Donetsk will unfortunately be conceded.
MillionMilesAway
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Those might offer limited protection against rpgs which is what Russia experienced in Chechnya & Afghanistan. They would be pretty effective against Molotov’s, that said Molotov’s should be directed at tracks first to disable anyway.
A tandem heat warhead like javelin or spike is going through any current armour and isn’t getting stopped by a cage no matter what Putin says.
What is spike? A different kind of missile?
("Don't tell him, spike" would be an unhelpful answer!)
hilts
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Unless you had the parachute and threw him out of your bedroom window you know nothing.Huh, wiki ! I had an Action Man (with movable arms) so I know all about military conflict.
Nothing.
Hayley Croppers chopper
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I voted for Brexit.The government here faces a dilemma with the refugee crisis from Ukraine. Brexit proved that we have a lot of our electorate from both the traditional left and the right are Nationalistic. The general view is that people didn't like the free movement of people or people seeking refugee status here. Now that we are living with the 24 hour coverage of the horrific war in Ukraine ,the general feeling is that we should be taking a lot more Ukrainian refugees but I bet they don't feel the same about other refugees of different nationalities. If the government takes a different approach to Ukrainian refugees ,will they be accused of prejudice?
I know brexit was a lot more than the movement of people but I want this post to stick to the topic
I believe all refugees fleeing war or persecution should be entitled to enter into this country.
Checks have to be made on people coming here, but it should be made easier for the poor refugees of Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, or wherever they are without them having to tear their arses across europe.
It was disgraceful how Afghans who have served our country were just left to fend for themselves when the west pulled out.
I never voted Tory.