Russian invasion of Ukraine

When my wife and I were living in the UK, she and most of the other Russians we knew over there used to get pretty indignant at the way their country was portrayed in the media (this was the 2000s, until 2007). I used to tell them to look at how Russia behaved on the international stage and ask if, in the light of that, they were really surprised.

Your wife's view of the special military operation is very common over here at the moment. There's a distinct tendency not to want to believe they're the bad guys. Reminds me of that Mitchell and Webb sketch, actually.

Some might say that your wife should know better given that she has access to reporting that doesn't simply reflect the standard Russian line. I might have thought that once, as well. But when you look at how many people in the UK and US swallow all kinds of bullshit from dishonest politicians and news outlets who lie as a matter of routine, I no longer think so. It seems to be something that a large proportion of people are prone to, albeit that this is a fairly extreme example.
Yes, people do fall for a load of shit, but in our society there's the counter of questioning etc. Just takes a while for the gullible to open their eyes. However, I note that Trump is ahead in US opinion polls...Jeez, a while to go then.
 
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FTFY.

Every Russian soldier dead is a step closer to Russia pulling out of Ukraine. Until such time, Ukrainian civilians are being raped and killed in their hundreds on a daily basis.

In a perfect world no one would need to die. But it isn’t a perfect world. It’s the real world and it’s a world in which unspeakable acts are being committed by these ‘poor, lied to Russian conscripts’, so fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
Natural humanitarian response vs the imperatives of war. Russia invaded and Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, so kill they must without considering the nuances of the motivations of enemy personnel. By definition, humanity is put aside during war.
EDIT PS. Perhaps not apt, but I am reminded of a football story. England vs Scotland. Law clatters Charlton, Charlton protests, Denis says: "You're no playing for united now Bobby."
 
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Not all Russian soldiers are cunts though…



Sickening. Absolutely sickening. I used to have a more open mind on the average Russian solider and think, they’re following orders don’t know what they are hitting. Wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt but as more and more evidence has come out it’s simply impossible to hold that view. Report on BBC yesterday looking at a former Russian held position abs saying how all the clues of a ill disciplined army are there - if that is the case then I cannot see how they can blame killing of civilians on anyone but themselves. And they should pay the highest possible price for it.
 
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Good for the Ukrainians everywhere except for the Russians capturing Izym yesterday so the attempt to encircle the Ukrainian army in the South East is still a possibility.
 
I think we in the West have little comprehension of how unquestioningly people in other cultures behave. Centuries of autocracy, totalitarianism, and patriarchy have created cultures where people simply do not question and blindly accept what they are fed. We shouldn’t expect the scales to drop anytime soon.
Amen to that!
God save the Queen...
 
Sickening. Absolutely sickening. I used to have a more open mind on the average Russian solider and think, they’re following orders don’t know what they are hitting. Wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt but as more and more evidence has come out it’s simply impossible to hold that view. Report on BBC yesterday looking at a former Russian held position abs saying how all the clues of a ill disciplined army are there - if that is the case then I cannot see how they can blame killing of civilians on anyone but themselves. And they should pay the highest possible price for it.
Agree with that - in the first week I had sympathy for the young conscripts who thought they were still on a training exercise and had been fed a lot of shit about nazis etc, a month on, any one of those russians still fighting has no sympathy at all from me when they fall, especially since Zelensky has offered them a way out and even cash to lay down arms.
 
Media sources are reporting that the 1st Russian has died of Radiation poisoning.after digging a fox hole in the Red Forrest.
Stupid ****

They are withdrawing / being pushed backed from the capital and have left loads of landmines behind

This probably is a daft question but can they be shot at to explode them or do they have to difuse them one by one ? They seem to be leaving some out in the open and not buried
 
Yes, people do fall for a load of shit, but in our society there's the counter of questioning etc. Just takes a while for the gullible to open their eyes. However, I note that Trump is ahead in US opinion polls...Jeez, a while to go then.
Yes, we in the west wouldn't dream of banning foreign news outlets, censoring dissident voices, arresting peaceful protesters, or presenting a one sided version of events would we?
 

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