Russian invasion of Ukraine

[JuriRs]

That clip should be on the Euronews full hour show all day :D

 

[Blue and true]

That clip should be on the Euronews full hour show all day :D

Like something from a dystopian TV series. Terrifying really.

 

[Iassel]

The only thing happening this year is the Ukrainians hanging on
They're in no position to go on an offensive

Ukraine can only "win" by constantly eroding ruSSian forces, along with destroying industrial facilities in ruSSia, creating discontent and economic hardship

Well yes, this is the whole point unfortunately - sooner rather than later the appetite and/or ability to support a stalemate will die off and Ukraine will be forced to negotiate ‘peace’.

There is little prospect of outlasting Russia - Putin long ago took back the oligarchs’ funds and businesses to mass produce military needs and those who defy him are still dying pretty regularly.

He will expend their whole fortunes funding this war in return for letting them live in luxury still and Europe and possibly even the US can’t compete with that level of backing.

 

[mosssideblue]

Well yes, this is the whole point unfortunately - sooner rather than later the appetite and/or ability to support a stalemate will die off and Ukraine will be forced to negotiate ‘peace’.

There is little prospect of outlasting Russia - Putin long ago took back the oligarchs’ funds and businesses to mass produce military needs and those who defy him are still dying pretty regularly.

He will expend their whole fortunes funding this war in return for letting them live in luxury still and Europe and possibly even the US can’t compete with that level of backing.

Don't you think Russia is in financial crisis?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well yes, this is the whole point unfortunately - sooner rather than later the appetite and/or ability to support a stalemate will die off and Ukraine will be forced to negotiate ‘peace’.

There is little prospect of outlasting Russia - Putin long ago took back the oligarchs’ funds and businesses to mass produce military needs and those who defy him are still dying pretty regularly.

He will expend their whole fortunes funding this war in return for letting them live in luxury still and Europe and possibly even the US can’t compete with that level of backing.

Always pro Russian.

 

[dickie davies]

Well yes, this is the whole point unfortunately - sooner rather than later the appetite and/or ability to support a stalemate will die off and Ukraine will be forced to negotiate ‘peace’.

There is little prospect of outlasting Russia - Putin long ago took back the oligarchs’ funds and businesses to mass produce military needs and those who defy him are still dying pretty regularly.

He will expend their whole fortunes funding this war in return for letting them live in luxury still and Europe and possibly even the US can’t compete with that level of backing.

Just because the lines aren't moving doesn't mean it's a stalemate
As I said, the Ukrainians will continue to erode the ruSSians
There will be a breaking point for ruSSia eventually

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Just because the lines aren't moving doesn't mean it's a stalemate
As I said, the Ukrainians will continue to erode the ruSSians
There will be a breaking point for ruSSia eventually

Air cover will help. F18s arriving soon . People like lassel always forget that after 2 years of all out war by Russia, they still don't have air superiority over Ukraine. Ukraine have also rendered Russia's Black Sea fleet virtually inoperable.

The west should be helping the Ukrainians hit Russian infrastructure, road bridges, rail power stations as well as oil refineries. Combine that with sending all Russians back to their shitty country and spending frozen Russian money on ukraine and Putin would be gone in a few months.

 

[Iassel]

Don't you think Russia is in financial crisis?

I mean do I think that the war is having a horrific effect on the Russian economy? Of course albeit China, India and the UAE are still happily keeping Russia afloat. As said though, Russia officially has over 100 billionaires, tens of thousands of ‘ultra wealthy’ and around 500,000 millionaires and these are the people funding the war with anyone who dissents quickly disposed of and their funds confiscated.

Of course it’s a finite ability to fund the war, the Russians gamble is that ‘the west’ won’t be willing to fund another 5-10 years of this and Zelenskyy has said many times we have to beat Russia, we won’t outlast them.

Always pro Russian

There is a huge difference between wanting Russia to win and discussing the reality of where things stand today. I don’t believe anyone outside Russia supports them getting Donbas and Crimea as at best it puts off for a few years us having to confront Russia elsewhere, be it in Ukraine again, or Moldova.

Just because the lines aren't moving doesn't mean it's a stalemate
As I said, the Ukrainians will continue to erode the ruSSians
There will be a breaking point for ruSSia eventually

Financially absolutely there will be a breaking point as discussed above, it isn’t going to be anytime soon though unfortunately.

From an ‘emotional’ perspective I think it’s extremely naive to believe that Russians will ever grow tired enough of this to stand up en masse and demand an end.

This is the country who just 80 years ago lost 27 million fighting and didn’t stand up and demand an end. Of course it was to our benefit that they were on our side then but now they’re not and they’re still the same people. Russias elderly are the kids/nieces/ nephews of those who died then and they’re deeply entrenched still in that mentality. The oldest ones being forced onto the battlefield now are their grandkids who grew up with that mindset indoctrinated into them by their parents who overwhelmingly support Putin and this war.

As we know, Russia is an oooooooooold country and their best youth got out long ago. As said before I work with 3 Russians here in Sweden and their parents in Moscow and St Petersburg who would be in their 50s now so young enough to know better still rabidly support the war.

Putin has been very clear that we won’t outlast Russia, and Zelenskyy agrees with him that we have to outright defeat them not expect to outlast them.

Of course we can hope that once Putin dies someone more sane succeeds him, but Putin has spent the past 5+ years completely isolated in a bunker, nobody is getting to him to end it anytime soon and once he dies there will be the mother of all power struggles to succeed him within his inner circle of oligarchs and ex FSB staff. The chance of someone sane enough to put a stop to this and bring Russia in from the cold winning out is pretty low…

 

[dickie davies]

Putin has been very clear that we won’t outlast Russia

If vlad has said that then I believe the exact opposite

 

[mosssideblue]

I mean do I think that the war is having a horrific effect on the Russian economy? Of course albeit China, India and the UAE are still happily keeping Russia afloat. As said though, Russia officially has over 100 billionaires, tens of thousands of ‘ultra wealthy’ and around 500,000 millionaires and these are the people funding the war with anyone who dissents quickly disposed of and their funds confiscated.

Of course it’s a finite ability to fund the war, the Russians gamble is that ‘the west’ won’t be willing to fund another 5-10 years of this and Zelenskyy has said many times we have to beat Russia, we won’t outlast them.


There is a huge difference between wanting Russia to win and discussing the reality of where things stand today. I don’t believe anyone outside Russia supports them getting Donbas and Crimea as at best it puts off for a few years us having to confront Russia elsewhere, be it in Ukraine again, or Moldova.


Financially absolutely there will be a breaking point as discussed above, it isn’t going to be anytime soon though unfortunately.

From an ‘emotional’ perspective I think it’s extremely naive to believe that Russians will ever grow tired enough of this to stand up en masse and demand an end.

This is the country who just 80 years ago lost 27 million fighting and didn’t stand up and demand an end. Of course it was to our benefit that they were on our side then but now they’re not and they’re still the same people. Russias elderly are the kids/nieces/ nephews of those who died then and they’re deeply entrenched still in that mentality. The oldest ones being forced onto the battlefield now are their grandkids who grew up with that mindset indoctrinated into them by their parents who overwhelmingly support Putin and this war.

As we know, Russia is an oooooooooold country and their best youth got out long ago. As said before I work with 3 Russians here in Sweden and their parents in Moscow and St Petersburg who would be in their 50s now so young enough to know better still rabidly support the war.

Putin has been very clear that we won’t outlast Russia, and Zelenskyy agrees with him that we have to outright defeat them not expect to outlast them.

Of course we can hope that once Putin dies someone more sane succeeds him, but Putin has spent the past 5+ years completely isolated in a bunker, nobody is getting to him to end it anytime soon and once he dies there will be the mother of all power struggles to succeed him within his inner circle of oligarchs and ex FSB staff. The chance of someone sane enough to put a stop to this and bring Russia in from the cold winning out is pretty low…

All you are potraying is your opinion, but in a manner that you want it to believed as fact. Let's see your evidence

Regarding Putin. Don't you think the US could take him out at any time if they wanted?