Russian invasion of Ukraine

[domalino]

a sitting duck for an air strike

If only they had a fleet of A-10s!

They have SU -25's which do the same job and its said the EU is supplying them with more. They also have TB2 drones that can perform a similar function

They obviously don't have whatever they need because the column is still there.

 

[meltonblue]

Meet:

Definition:

1. arrange or happen to come into the presence or company of (someone).
   "a week later I met him in the street"
   
   Similar:
   encounter
   
   meet up with
   
   come face to face with
   
   make contact with
   
   run into/across
   
   come across/upon
   
   chance on
   
   happen on
   
   light on
   
   stumble across/on
   
   bump into
   
   
   
   2. touch or join.
   "icebergs are created when glaciers meet the sea"
   
   ..................................
   
   So it was a phone call then.

I don’t seriously need to post the definition of a meeting to counter you for some odd reason using the definition of the verb “meet”, do I?!

If your point originally was that it wouldn’t be a physical meeting then fair enough, I didn’t get the impression at the time you meant that though, I thought you were arguing they would step back from discussions by now completely.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They obviously don't have whatever they need because the column is still there.

I am just aware of what inventory they have and what has been promised - I am afraid I am not party to Ukraine Air Force planning

 

[meltonblue]

‘Yes, He Would’: Fiona Hill on Putin and Nukes

Putin is trying to take down the entire world order, the veteran Russia watcher said in an interview. But there are ways even ordinary Americans can fight back.

www.politico.com

Ignoring the sensationalist headlines, this is a good read.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Zelennskyy should call Putin out and challenge him to decide it with a fight between to two of them. I know putin is supposed to practice judo, buy let's face it, it's the most unimpressive of martial arts.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

They have SU -25's which do the same job and its said the EU is supplying them with more. They also have TB2 drones that can perform a similar function

I saw some TB2 footage. Impressive.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Redirecting

Not a good look if your trying to disprove the enemy claim of being Nazis.

It’s the Polish that are responsible for that policy.

 

[meltonblue]

Could there not be a scenario where the west gets involved but strictly to defend Ukraine, no retaliation or entering Russia, purely to maintain Ukraine sovereignty?

I don't think that scenario would lead to nukes.

We just send the message that we will not enter Russia but we will defend Ukraine.

Lines will be drawn at some point, western leaders will have a line where they probably can't let it go any further.

If Russia kills the Ukrainian President lets say, are the west really going to ignore that?

We still wouldn’t get involved directly if that happened. I’m not entirely sure that Putin would want Zelenskyy killed now anyway, he might still be his best way out of it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

There can be no tit for tat mate. What do you suggest the west do as tit for tat, if Russia were to nuke Ukraine? Nuke a different bit of Ukraine?

No, we'd have to nuke Russia. And that is not tit for tat, it's a huge escalation which would risk the lives of countless millions in the west. It would be an absolute disaster.

I know that's not what anyone wants to hear but you cannot copy madman tactics when dealing with a madman.

Sadly, I think the best outcome at this point is that Ukraine falls quickly and with the minimum of further casualties, and from there we can continue to apply sanctions, to use all diplomatic channels and to try to negotiate some kind of compromise deal which may allow some of Ukraine some degree of independence.

Thats what it was back in 83 when I was in the military. I doubt it has changed. AND yes it probably would escalate quickly.

 

[cleavers]

The state of that road surface......worse than UK.