Russian invasion of Ukraine

[MCFC1993]

I can’t exactly articulate why but I think I draw the line at banning institutions vs individuals.

Spartak Moscow represents Moscow, Daniil Medvedev only represents himself - especially if he’s not got a [RUS] out next to his name by broadcasters.

I suppose it depends what restrictions are in place. Are they representing Russia or independent etc...

I'm torn in the sense that they have done nothing wrong but it's another way of cutting Russia off and getting through to their government.

Tricky situation, I think Russian and Belarusian chess players have been told no flags and no anthems. I think this should be a bare minimum.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Take over all those Russian holiday properties from Torrevieja to Turkey, then the 'ordinary Russians might sit up.

Thats the whole point - people have said "sanctions take time" - however sanction them all - I mean the financial world is falling in on them. Oligarch's here will realise that sanctions don't hit tonight - splatting a convoy outside Kyiv does that - but you sanction them and the Oligarch who has a son at Eton and a daughter at Cheltenham Ladies College will find that he can't pay next years fees and the kids have to leave as the schools can't sanctions bust.

Many will have convoluted ways of owning/paying for their Knightsbridge home - if it involves transacting through UK banks then it can't be done if they are sanctioned.

Got a driver? Car? Private jet? Pilot? How is that paid for? If you are sanctioned you are going nowhere - I mean seriously getting on a London bus to go shopping could be barred as a result of sanctions as London Transport couldn't accept payment for your ticket.

These people are not fucking stupid - they can see the devastation down the line to the cozy lifestyle they have built up over the last 10-20 years and take those complaints to Putin en -masse then what does he do? They are the people who through the tough years have propped him up,

 

[bluethrunthru]

I can’t exactly articulate why but I think I draw the line at banning institutions vs individuals.

Spartak Moscow represents Moscow, Daniil Medvedev only represents himself - especially if he’s not got a [RUS] out next to his name by broadcasters.

don't think of it as forever - just think of it as for now - individuals - particularly those that are anti Putin anyway can be reinstated just as quickly but its about signalling to the Russian people that the regime makes them persona non grata for now.

 

[The perfect fumble]

don't think of it as forever - just think of it as for now - individuals - particularly those that are anti Putin anyway can be reinstated just as quickly but its about signalling to the Russian people that the regime makes them persona non grata for now.

Oh do f**k off!................ "The regime makes them persona non grata"

The regime does nothing of the sort.

Stop, just stop!

Clubs, national teams, sporting associations I get, but individuals on the basis of their nationality, their ethnicity?

Why not class them as enemy aliens, have done with it and intern them?

In your zeal you lose sight of your humanity.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Those bastards rules the things in Ukraine since 2014 ....

So you admit that you might have posted misinformation and Russian propaganda?

 

[MCFC1993]

Oh do f**k off!................ "The regime makes them persona non grata"

Stop, just stop!

Why not class them as enemy aliens, have done with it and intern them?

In your zeal you lose sight of of your humanity.

To be fair, many are thinking this way.

It's actually the IOC's recommendation:


On the basis that Ukrainian athletes can't train or prepare properly for their sports knowing their countries existence is being threatened or it's not safe to train. Whilst athletes from the aggressors country (Russia) can still compete.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

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CNN right now has Anderson Cooper (who's gone to Lviv) interviewing a woman in a bomb shelter in Kiev via a zoom link or some such. Heartbreaking as she talks about her husband, her kids, her love for her land, and this crazy guy who's invaded it. The West absolutely has to save these brave people.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Quite a few videos going about on social media of black/asian people getting booted off trains in Ukraine. Dissapointing if these are accurate.

I've noticed a concerted effort on Twitter to get African people and Indian people to support Putin. Lots of this "Russian never colonised you" shit, and laughably "Russian never forced other countries to speak Russian." It also works on Western liberals, because apparently a handful of racist guards (if that's what the videos actually show) is worse than bombing a whole bunch of civilians. And of course Russian would treat black and Asian people much better.

Obviously Ukraine has had a racism problem and a far right problem for a long time (remember the Euros in 2012?) but the idea that racism and far right groups in Russia aren't just as bad, if not worse, is ridiculous. It's like saying that women's rights in Yemen are shit, so I'm going to support Saudi Arabia in the war.

 

[The perfect fumble]

To be fair, many are thinking this way.

It's actually the IOC's recommendation:


On the basis that Ukrainian athletes can't train or prepare properly for their sports knowing their countries existence is being threatened. While athletes from the aggressors country (Russia) can still compete.


For example:
Daniil Medvedev will be playing in upcoming tennis tournaments soon.

Whereas Sergiy Stakhovsky has joined the reservist in Ukraine despite having no military training.



I think when you look at it like that, the calls for bans and suspensions are a lot more understandable.

We agree, the IOC should ban Russians and Belorussians, because in IOC events they represent their country. The clue is in the title International Olympic Committee

As far as I'm aware no individual has ever competed in any IOC event representing themselves.

Russian footballers playing for French clubs, Russian racing drivers driving a Mercedes and Russian tennis players roaming the world living out of a suitcase are a different kettle of fish, so different in fact, that as my dad used to say "it's bleedin obvious".

 

[I'm With Stupid]

As far as I'm aware no individual has ever competed in any IOC event representing themselves.

You can definitely enter the Olympics as an independent athlete.