Russian invasion of Ukraine

BobKowalski said:
That, and maybe a land bridge to Crimea.

But who in the West will do business with Putin’s Russia if there is a settlement and they keep Ukrainian territory? Where does Putin’s Russia go from here, or indeed a post Putin Russia that has troops on Ukraine territory?

Russians have grown to like their iPhones, Apple Pay, Netflix and football. They lose that for what? Killing Ukrainians and some territory and all for reasons no one fully understands?

The end game of all this is a head scratcher, because no matter what Russia ‘gains’ it’s going to lose a hell of a lot more.
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That's what I would have thought Bob. Head scratcher indeed.
 
SkyBlueCanuck said:
My unpopular opinion:

-Russia has withheld the strongest of its military might on the chance that NATO/US/EU/Somebody joins in on Ukraine's side and needs to be dealt with
-Russia has not invaded full scale regardless of what the press keeps telling me
-Nobody is serious about dealing with Putin/Russia so long as they keep buying Russian fuel
-As fuel prices soar, Putin/Russia literally grow richer as a result of this incursion
-Sanctions will do SFA other than strengthen Sino-Russian cooperation
-A serious attempt to militarily defend Ukraine by any other state would necessarily involve defence/counterattacks/attacks on the Russian military and therefore: is an invitation for Russia to attack the country who attacks their forces.
-fucking nobody is going to do that
-therefore: negotiated surrender and acceding to Russian terms is the only outcome.

I don't like it. But I can't see it another way. Saving the Ukrainian people's lives is my most favored outcome at this point and I can't see this go any "better" way for them.
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Putin in his documentary “Russia. New History” said “but in our advanced developments we are definitely the leaders and number 1 in the scale and upgrades of its traditional weapons” yet are still getting wiped out by javelins and stingers and the such. Don’t buy into his hype mate, he’s a fluffier
 
Just bought my daughter an Easter Egg as we might not be here come April.
 
Gremlin said:
I vividly remember, as member of HM forces (ostensibly a modern military machine) driving round Basra in a Land Rover Discovery that had been bought in Kuwait as a quick and dirty way of increasing the troop carrying capacity of the army. Wasn't very resistant to IEDs as I recall.
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You’ve never watched top gear then mate ;)
 
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