Russian invasion of Ukraine

[The Stockport Iniesta]

No. Because the facts aren't the same. Israel cannot threaten the world. Russia can.

It seems like you've fallen for the rhetoric.

He's not going to use nukes FFS, he's not under threat from the West and neither is Russia.

Throwing threat's around is how a bully works, if you shit yourself you will continue to be bullied.

 

[Blue and true]

They have. They lost it when Trump was elected.



Too late.

No, they haven't.

As the guy above me pointed out, you're dressing your alarmist opinion as fact.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Nothing wrong with that statement. Ukraine has lost the war. Russia needs to come to the table and name it's terms. Ukraine need to accept that they have lost territory and come to terms with it and demand assurances and protection from the West to prevent further losses.

All of what you say is true, but it does not negate the fact that Ukraine is defeated and that the war needs to stop and that conflict is not worth starting WW3 or a nuclear conflict over.

Would the deal you envision involve Russia keeping what it’s stolen and Ukraine staying out of NATO?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I could threaten the world, Israel could threaten the world, Russia can threaten the world.
If no-one believes the threat it's not a threat just a failed bluff.

Thanks for the pedantic point. Israel cannot threaten the world because they do not have a huge nuclear arsenal, what they could do is threaten to drag in global power and create a wider conflict. See the rationale for why South Africa developed nuclear weapons and their planned used. Samson option is a similar idea.

I'd rather not test the theory he is bluffing.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Do you have a hotline to Trump ?

Clearly he does.
He also supports Russia and that's for sure.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If you precipitate it's balkanisation you create many conflicts that would last many years and leave nuclear arsenals in the hands of warlords.

It’ll be fine as long as no one gives them the PIN.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It seems like you've fallen for the rhetoric.

He's not going to use nukes FFS, he's not under threat from the West and neither is Russia.

Throwing threat's around is how a bully works, if you shit yourself you will continue to be bullied.

given the performance of some of his hardware in Ukraine I doubt he can rely on them not going off in their silos

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Would the deal you envision involve Russia keeping what it’s stolen and Ukraine staying out of NATO?

It can't join NATO with territorial disputes but maybe surrendering their current claims on lost territory would be worth it for that.

Do you think NATO members would risk inheriting the obligation to defend it though?

And without reliable American backing?

Maybe there would be need to be an alternative mechanism for providing guarantees.

The guarantees don't actually have to be honoured in future. Ukraine just needs to believe that they will be.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'd rather not test the theory he is bluffing.

Which is exactly what a bluffer wants you to think,,,

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It can't join NATO with territorial disputes but maybe surrendering their current claims on lost territory would be worth it for that.

Do you think NATO members would risk inheriting the obligation to defend it though?

And without reliable American backing?

Maybe there would be need to be an alternative mechanism for providing guarantees.

The guarantees don't actually have to be honoured in future. Ukraine just needs to believe that they will be.

Previous guarantees to Ukraine haven’t been worth a wank.