Russian invasion of Ukraine

Metal Biker said:
It's the first time offensive weapons have been directly fired into their airspace. This isn't like a 'stray' aircraft' in their airspace or a 'lost submarine' off the coast. These were weapons of war and lots of them.

Had the Polish air defences not shot them down, they would have hit targets in Poland. The only reason the Poles aren't even more pissed off is that they acted in due course, without message from Russia warning them beforehand about 'misguided drones', mind you. Had they not acted, we'd be looking at destruction of civilian properties and at worst, killings.

If someone you hated took potshots at your home and miraculously nobody was injured would you stop and say "hey, now pack it in you lot!"?
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Thing is if they had killed some, then I think we might well be on a war footing now, Poland would not take it lying down and article 5 might be sought in the UN today had Russia killed someone. How many deaths would Poland accept not retaliate, I reckon their population would say 1. Luckily for us drones I can’t see been an issue unless launched from a ship nearby but then that ship wouldn’t last long. Putin is playing a dangerous game here,Poland will be itching to pay back and the umpa lumpa will be powerless to do anything as I think European leaders know where he stands and it’s not on our side.
 
grunge said:
Pretty much

www.bbc.co.uk

'What's with Russia violating Polish airspace?' - Trump reacts to Moscow drone incursion on Nato ally

Moscow insists it did not plan to hit targets in Poland, after Warsaw says it shot down Russian drones in its airspace.
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Russia's temporary chargé d'affaires - the chief of the embassy's mission in Poland - rejects claims that Russian drones entered Polish airspace.

"We believe that the claims are groundless. There has been no evidence that these drones are of Russian provenance," Andrey Ordash tells Russian state news agency RIA Novosti.

He also tells the agency that he has been summoned to the Polish foreign ministry."
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They are the most dishonest nation on earth.
 
dickie davies said:
See @marco 's post above

Listening to an expert earlier and in 2022 the ruSSians fired an unarmed cruise missile into Poland that crashed into a forest in the Central region
It lay there undiscovered for two years and was undetected by air Polish defense.
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Note; undetected. This time the Polish were fully aware and had to use their air defences, note, 'defences' to protect their people.

You might not be all that concerned, but Tusk most certainly is.
 
Metal Biker said:
Note; undetected. This time the Polish were fully aware and had to use their air defences, note, 'defences' to protect their people.

You might not be all that concerned, but Tusk most certainly is.
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That’s because Poland are all too aware of the sort of cunts we’re dealing with.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Thing is if they had killed some, then I think we might well be on a war footing now, Poland would not take it lying down and article 5 might be sought in the UN today had Russia killed someone. How many deaths would Poland accept not retaliate, I reckon their population would say 1. Luckily for us drones I can’t see been an issue unless launched from a ship nearby but then that ship wouldn’t last long. Putin is playing a dangerous game here,Poland will be itching to pay back and the umpa lumpa will be powerless to do anything as I think European leaders know where he stands and it’s not on our side.
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If not for Polish air defences, they would have done.
 
Metal Biker said:
Note; undetected. This time the Polish were fully aware and had to use their air defences, note, 'defences' to protect their people.

You might not be all that concerned, but Tusk most certainly is.
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They've been doing similar for years with no repercussions
As an example the cables they’ve been cutting in the Baltic sea
 
blueinsa said:
Putin is emboldened by promises no doubt from China, India, North Korea and TRUMP etc of their support if it does become a war with NATO.

2 absolute fucking madmen responsible for the safety of us all right now and I’m not confident they will do that.
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Metal Biker said:
If not for Polish air defences, they would have done.
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"Maybe" they have regularly used Moldova as a fly over zone so drones arrive at unexpected directions. My gut feeling is that this might have been that. use Poland as a fly over to get back into Ukraine from unexpected directions rather than a direct attack.

im not sure how provable it is one way or another what the end target is unless they can recover that from wreckage.

Gives them the radar mapping they probably were after.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Thing is if they had killed some, then I think we might well be on a war footing now, Poland would not take it lying down and article 5 might be sought in the UN today had Russia killed someone. How many deaths would Poland accept not retaliate, I reckon their population would say 1. Luckily for us drones I can’t see been an issue unless launched from a ship nearby but then that ship wouldn’t last long. Putin is playing a dangerous game here,Poland will be itching to pay back and the umpa lumpa will be powerless to do anything as I think European leaders know where he stands and it’s not on our side.
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Russia killed people in London and Salisbury and goodness knows how many Oligarchs who have fled Russia have been found dead at homes in the South East.
Russia have committed acts of arson in the UK and across Europe, and even tried to assassinate the CEO of Rhinemetal in Germany.
We did nothing then and won't do anything going forward either unless the Russians invade.
A complete failure of Western policy on Russia. It just encourages Putin to ratchet up to the next level.
 
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cleavers said:
According to this map, none actually went over Moldova, and none turned back either. It was interesting that Belarus claimed to have shot some down too.View attachment 169080
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FYI wasn't referencing this particular night with Moldova/Romainia but there have been plenty of reports for a long while that Russia have done it.

Im guessing thought the ones that did enter Poland did change directions as only 4 out of 19 were shot down. where did the other 15 go?
 
grunge said:
Im guessing thought the ones that did enter Poland did change directions as only 4 out of 19 were shot down. where did the other 15 go?
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They probably just ran out of fuel and crashed, seems they are still finding them, if they were deliberately fired into Poland as a test, they may not have had explosives aboard ?
 
cleavers said:
They probably just ran out of fuel and crashed, seems they are still finding them, if they were deliberately fired into Poland as a test, they may not have had explosives aboard ?
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That would be quite telling about intention and would remove the "accidental" possibilities.
 
Occupied Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhannsk - Severe thirst and Rail links and other Transport links regularly interrupted.
It's only going to get worse...
An army of 150k-200k are gradually being cut-off from Russia

Article link:
 
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