Sam Allardyce

Jazzman said:
It really is quite sad if Fat Sam is the best candidate for the job. He doesn't exactly represent modern football.
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Well I think this proves you wrong.

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Jazzman said:
It really is quite sad if Fat Sam is the best candidate for the job. He doesn't exactly represent modern football.
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What is 'modern football'? If you want someone who is tactically astute, embraces modern methods and has man-management skills that are second to none, then Allardyce is as forward thinking as anyone.
 
It could be that the FA simply think England are not a top team because they believe the squad is very good but simply needs some bulldog spirit. That would be an impressive level of delusion.
 
rowarta said:
Graham Taylor mark 2 appointment and look what happened there.
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To be fair to Taylor, the quality of player he had available to him was dire. Worse than it has ever been in my lifetime. Granted, he is not a very good manager but a manager can only do so much with the players at his disposal.
 
Manc in London said:
To be fair to Taylor, the quality of player he had available to him was dire. Worse than it has ever been in my lifetime. Granted, he is not a very good manager but a manager can only do so much with the players at his disposal.
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Taylor certainly picked some dire players but the quality was there. Gazza, Shearer, Wright, Waddle, Platt, Rob Jones, Keown, Adams, Merson, Sheringham, Mcmanaman, Ince, amongst others were all available during his spell in charge. He was unlucky that Gazza had a long spell out and Shearer missed much of the 1994 world cup qualifying campaign but he could have put together a much better side than he did.
 
Regardless of whether he is the right man for the job, he cant really do any worse than the last few. Which top manager would want this job anyway. Other than the money it doesn't tend to do CV's any good. I'm past the point of caring how England do, so on that basis I don't care who the manager is.
 
So tiring to read the same old crap people post about Allardyce, do some people seriously not watch football ?

He doesn't just play long ball, he mixes up all kinds of tactics, he varies game to game - i remember West Ham beating Man City a couple of seasons ago - with Valencia and Sakho up front and Downing play-maker behind, we run rings around City - no long ball was played that day. Yet still the tag sticks that he plays ''hoof-ball'' , a media tag that sadly some are all to happy to lap up.

His work at Bolton was remarkable, taking over a club struggling in the Championship to taking Bolton to 5th in the Prem and in Europe, they played some wonderful stuff with the likes of Anelka, Hierro, Campo, Jay Jay Okacha, Djorkaeff. He was way ahead of the times with the use of modern technology and players fitness - yes at times he resorted to long ball to K.Davies and Nolan, but sometimes that is the way to play!

He took over Newcastle and Blackburn and left them higher up than when he took over - yet with poor owners they got rid of him and paid the price.

West Ham. I remember not really wanting him, we were linked with Martin O'Neil and Stuart Pearce and to me, just seeing snipets on MOTD and hearing his a 'long ball merchant' i didn't fancy him - Yet... looking back, i don't think any manager could have done the job he did. We were a complete mess of a club, relegated to the championship with players jumping ship - Big Sam took the club by the scruff of the neck, got rid of the deadwood -somehow got Nolan to the championship and few more key signings and took us back to the prem in the first year of asking - the next season he bought in Diame,Jarvis and Carrol - we finished 10th! that was way beyond expectations. the following season with mammoth injury's was not great, finishing below mid-table, unacceptable with modern day fans, wanting instant results and Barcelona style football - more of the same for the following season having reached semi final of the cup and leaving us in Europe. Cant thank him enough for the job he did and Bilic has build on the foundations Big Sam made.

after us, he kept Sunderland up against all odds. They looked strong, quick and played good football. of corse though he just plays 'route 1 hoof-ball' to the big man - this time to the giant lone-striker Jermaine Defoe.

No manager will satisfy everyone, and fans will jump on his back straight away with a poor performance - But Big Sam is English, a good manager and decent bloke, he is passionate and has worked bloody hard to achieve where he is today. I for one hope he gets the gig.



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Would be happy with Big Sam. He's the best out there in terms of being English, experienced and successful. England need to abandon this idea that we're any good and work with what we've got. Allardyce is one of the best at that. The tools and coaching he'll give, as well as the man management will leave England in a good place. He won't try and fit 4 strikers on the pitch because of names. He'll play a specific way and make sure it works and everyone shares his passion and hard working attitude.

Either way that will leave us in a better place when he moves on and will allow another manager, possibly someone with a philosophy we want to see instilled in English football (like Eddie Howe) to gain experience in the mean time then come in and have the basis to work with.

I don't like Big Sam but I think he deserves the job.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
His work at Bolton was remarkable, taking over a club struggling in the Championship to taking Bolton to 5th in the Prem and in Europe, they played some wonderful stuff with the likes of Anelka, Hierro, Campo, Jay Jay Okacha, Djorkaeff. He was way ahead of the times with the use of modern technology and players fitness - yes at times he resorted to long ball to K.Davies and Nolan, but sometimes that is the way to play!
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In his first season he led us to an F.A. Cup semi-final, an League Cup semi-final and the play-offs, which considering where we were when he took over, was a minor miracle.

We had four consecutive top eight finishes in the Premier League and two UEFA Cup campaigns. He also took us to a League Cup final.

We played Arsenal at The Emirates in his last season, they were in fourth place, just two points ahead of us. When we went 1-0 up, we were briefly in a Champions League place with just four games to go. Sadly we lost 2-1 and he resigned after the next game, a draw at Chelsea.

I can only assume people who don't rate him, don't know much about his record.
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/16/sam-allardyce-sunderland-manager

"Sam was a hard but fair manager. What I admired most was the way he orchestrated training sessions and made sure the team and players knew their roles and responsibilities with and without the ball and he worked on it religiously. You don’t win games with luck you win games with hard work on the training ground and Sam will do this."
 
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