Sam Allardyce

daztrueblue91 said:
England is a team full of players who have played in the CL and competed for and won major honours.
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Is it? How many of our Euro 2016 squad have won the league as a key part of the team? Hart, Rooney, Cahill, Vardy, Milner. How many have competed in the Champions League for more than one season in their career? Hart, Rooney, Sterling, Cahill, Milner, Smalling, Wilshere. So that's 8 out of 23 who you can reasonably argue have a decent amount of experience competing at the very top of the game. Given the achievements of most of the England squad, it would be ridiculous for them to become all Billy big bollocks and look down their noses at Sam Allardyce. Most of them have won exactly the same as him, which is fuck all.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Perhaps its because those people have actually watched fully how a Allardyce team plays - and it is nothing like you describe.
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Hold on there, fellah. I have two brothers and a nephew that are mad hammers' fans, all three of them season ticket holders. I saw the hammers play so many times under Fat Sam and if you genuinely believe that the odd bit of good football far outweighed the long ball stuff he produced then you and I watched very very different games.
 
Absolute terrible appointment if it happens. Many like myself aren't arsed how England do these days and Sam being manager will distance me even more. Going to do one of them family tree things and hope there is someone not from England somewhere
 
daztrueblue91 said:
That's just arguing the technicalities.

You're right in the sense that his contract expired rather than he was sacked but West Ham still obviously thought that he was not the right man to take them forward. Letting someone leave or sacking someone still means that the club do not think they are good enough.

Also, I never played down his achievements at Sunderland or any club for that matter. I actually think he did some of his best work at Blackburn and they fell apart once he left. Allardyce is a decent PL manager and any club who wants to ensure PL survival would be crazy to turn him down.

That said, I do believe that managers have certain skill sets and there are a number of 'safe' PL managers. By that I mean managers who are too good to be relegated but not good enough to take teams to the next level. Pulis, Hughes, Allardyce and arguably Pardrew all fit that bracket.

I think people are too quick to judge England and over hype all of the problems. The next manager will be walking into a young and talented squad. A team which now will have learned the harsh lessons of the Euro's. It's like when people say that City need 10 new signings. People are quick to write off players after a bad run of form.

Like I previously said, if the FA are adamant that they want an English manager then Allardyce should and will get the job. Does that mean that he is the best overall candidate? That is a resounding no IMO.
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You said you can't understand how a manager who has narrowly kept Sunderland in the Premier League (amongst other things you listed) is under consideration for the England job. That, in my opinion and I suspect the opinions of many, is playing down that particular achievement otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.

It's like me having a go at the missus by saying "The house is a tip every day, you burn everything you cook, your attitude stinks and there's no stella in the fridge" and then claiming I haven't got a problem with her culinary skills.
 
If Allardyce were Italian would he have gotten the job?

Absolutely not. Coaching development in this country is just as bad, if not worse than player development.
 
citykev28 said:
You said you can't understand how a manager who has narrowly kept Sunderland in the Premier League (amongst other things you listed) is under consideration for the England job. That, in my opinion and I suspect the opinions of many, is playing down that particular achievement otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.

It's like me having a go at the missus by saying "The house is a tip every day, you burn everything you cook, your attitude stinks and there's no stella in the fridge" and then claiming I haven't got a problem with her culinary skills.
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I obviously have a much higher opinion of the England job than you do.

I believe that the England job is one of the biggest jobs in world football and the manager should match that ambition. What does it say about England if they get a manager who has been totally overlooked for all of the top jobs in its domestic league?

The fact that he can turn teams into solid PL teams is his selling point. When there are people on the market who are proven winners such as Mancini and Hiddink, and they get overlooked for someone who was not considered good enough to take West Ham to the next level then its just plain stupidity.

In recent seasons, Us, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton have all undergone managerial changes and Allardyce hasn't even had a sniff of getting them jobs. Why do you think that is?
 
If Glenda turned it down then it's got to be BFS. Plus he has the added advantage of being able to call on his former lord and master the GPC if he gets a bit stuck.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I obviously have a much higher opinion of the England job than you do.

I believe that the England job is one of the biggest jobs in world football and the manager should match that ambition. What does it say about England if they get a manager who has been totally overlooked for all of the top jobs in its domestic league?

The fact that he can turn teams into solid PL teams is his selling point. When there are people on the market who are proven winners such as Mancini and Hiddink, and they get overlooked for someone who was not considered good enough to take West Ham to the next level then its just plain stupidity.

In recent seasons, Us, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton have all undergone managerial changes and Allardyce hasn't even had a sniff of getting them jobs. Why do you think that is?
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Listen, I don't like the bloke. Never have. England have tried going down the road of getting the best man available and we've steadily got worse over the last 20 years. Maybe we need a manager to steady the ship and get us playing at the level we currently can't reach which is expecting to get out of groups and then possibly winning the odd knockout match. We've won 6 in 50 years.

The reason we've ended up in a dialogue though is because you won't admit that you frowned upon Allardyce "narrowly avoiding relegation" despite the fact that they looked fucked when he took over, he spent little money and kept them up ahead of the combined efforts of another former England manager and a Champions League winner.
 
citykev28 said:
Listen, I don't like the bloke. Never have. England have tried going down the road of getting the best man available and we've steadily got worse over the last 20 years. Maybe we need a manager to steady the ship and get us playing at the level we currently can't reach which is expecting to get out of groups and then possibly winning the odd knockout match. We've won 6 in 50 years.

The reason we've ended up in a dialogue though is because you won't admit that you frowned upon Allardyce "narrowly avoiding relegation" despite the fact that they looked fucked when he took over, he spent little money and kept them up ahead of the combined efforts of another former England manager and a Champions League winner.
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I simply don't believe that narrowly avoiding relegation is good enough to warrant getting the England job. That's hardly playing down his acheivements.

I understand your reasons for wanting Allardyce but IMO he would simply be a sideways step. Replacing one mediocre English FA arse licking manager with another.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I simply don't believe that narrowly avoiding relegation is good enough to warrant getting the England job. That's hardly playing down his acheivements.

I understand your reasons for wanting Allardyce but IMO he would simply be a sideways step. Replacing one mediocre English FA arse licking manager with another.
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If you think Allardyce will be an 'FA arse licker' I would respectfully suggest that you're wrong.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
When there are people on the market who are proven winners such as Mancini and Hiddink, and they get overlooked for someone who was not considered good enough to take West Ham to the next level then its just plain stupidity.
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'Proven winners'? Hiddink's last two jobs managing national teams were Turkey who failed to qualify for the 2012 Euros and Holland who had just been beaten by Iceland when he was fired.
 
Genuinely gutted that we are losing Allardyce.
With his hi story of what he can do, he was a perfect fit for us...and actually...we played some good stuff in the last few months...also did well in the transfer market...
Fuck it...another false dawn
 
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