Sane left out of Germany World Cup Squad

[bobbyowenquiff]

Gundogan and Rudiger and Ozil are playing in England.
Trapp, ter Stegen, Kroos, Kedhira, Draxler also don't play for Bayern (who I dislike) but outside Bundesliga.

@bobbyowenquiff Sorry mate, that's absolutely no point at all and never has been.

It's also not about positions.
IF Low wanted to have Sané in his squad for his strengths, he would have had enough options to find find a lineup including Sané. He also has been switching to the right wing for City hasn't he? Or he could have been used as a great sub as many have stated several times.

Sané is on another level compared to Brandt.
If we ask what Sané has done for Germany - wtf has Brandt done??

The only point that really makes sense from my perspective is the team approach, that is key for Low.
The idea of a very strong team where every one supports every one 1000% is making the difference on the top level.

That's Low's philosophy ever since. Not a single exception can be tolerated.
There are some indications from several interviews with players and staff members, that Leroy didn't match that philosophy in the way he had to.
The consequence now is preferring a less talented and succesfull player like Brandt, who is just matching the team philosophy.

Maybe the fact that Brandt was one of the 4 dropped players in 2016 has had an influence. Not very convincing for me though.

I would have preferred Low and key players would have had a serious talk with Sané demanding a perfect team attitude.
Now we don't know if this has happened in some way. Actually I think those basics are addressed in a quite direct "German" way.

Bottom line I really hope Leroy takes some time and good advice to think about himself and his part of the sad story.
I always prefer the attitude and work ethics of the likes of KDB compared to Christiano Ronaldo.

I have watched Leroy often enough for City where I couldn't really say he has worked his socks off.
And still I love that lad and he would have been my man for the world cup.

Ok fair comment. But I didn't really appreciate the snide comments made by Hummels. Over the years City have had to endure a lot of snide comments from Bayern and I can see why so many German fans despise them. I don't think Hummel's comments will be helpful to Leroy at this time.
I have watched virtually every match Sane has played for City. He has mostly been brilliant but like many wingers he tends to play in bursts. I think his workrate is excellent but like a lot of younger players he doesn't pace himself in games and sometimes runs out of steam. This will improve with experience. He is certainly not lazy.

 

[Metalartin]

Gundogan and Rudiger and Ozil are playing in England.
Trapp, ter Stegen, Kroos, Kedhira, Draxler also don't play for Bayern (who I dislike) but outside Bundesliga.

@bobbyowenquiff Sorry mate, that's absolutely no point at all and never has been.

It's also not about positions.
IF Low wanted to have Sané in his squad for his strengths, he would have had enough options to find find a lineup including Sané. He also has been switching to the right wing for City hasn't he? Or he could have been used as a great sub as many have stated several times.

Maybe the difference there beside they are midfielders(Trapp and Ter Stegen don't even belong in this discussion they simply have to go) which Germany favour for their style of play/tactics is pretty much all of those players are experienced in international football and there aren't alternatives who can offer what they can(ability, experience) in the same position, Brandt and Sané are the same age with Sané perhaps slightly more experienced given the PL season and CL run he had, ability wise Sané is way ahead in my book.

More than that was the point I already made, Sané was someone everyone in Germany wanted him to stay in the league, he's a rising star getting a lot of attention bringing interest into the PL, the German FA don't like losing their stars especially to European teams that aren't members of the old guard(Barca, Real and other "established elite" clubs at the top table of UEFA).

Sorry but I feel you haven't made a strong enough argument to rule it out, he plays in a Pep team where there is no room for passengers or divas not willing to work for the team... Pep had Low's philosophy before Low so to speak. If he did start slacking off he could do as Pep would, hook him until he gets the right response from him and he'd be back in the team as demerited as ever before you know it. Even if his "attitude"(which is different from team ethic, which I don't think is the issue... he can be petulant and sulky when things aren't going well we've all seen that but most gifted forwards are that way) was a factor it doesn't rule out the German FA wanting to make a statement with the PL young player of the year left out in favour of a 5th placed Bundesliga team player(I forget how many points they were away from Bayern who had a similar season to ours), they will have weighed everything up for a decision as big as this. I doubt there was only one reason for leaving him out especially as most people would agree Sané is clearly the better of the two, they can't be that clueless that they don't see the same thing.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The really interesting bit about this decision is that if Germany do not do well, in addition to the obvious factors contributing to their poor performance, the choice to leave Leroy out will hang over Low for years to come. Both he and Martinez have built the gallows for themselves should things go tits up.

 

[Metalartin]

The really interesting bit about this decision is that if Germany do not do well, in addition to the obvious factors contributing to their poor performance, the choice to leave Leroy out will hang over Low for years to come. Both he and Martinez have built the gallows for themselves should things go tits up.

Why Martinez?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Why Martinez?

Left out Nainggolan (much debated in Belguim and Rome).

 

[Metalartin]

Left out Nainggolan (much debated in Belguim and Rome).

Ah I'd missed that one.

 

[Metalartin]

What is the popular opinion on squad choices and some of the trickier decisions?

Do we believe the managers make all the decisions and none of the FA's can influence their decisions?

or

Do they make most of them but every now and then they'll get requests or "suggestions" from above and inevitably fold to them sharpish?

 

[SebastianBlue]

What is the popular opinion on squad choices and some of the trickier decisions?

Do we believe the managers make all the decisions and none of the FA's can influence their decisions?

or

Do they make most of them but every now and then they'll get requests or "suggestions" from above and inevitably fold to them sharpish?

I would add...

or

Do sponsors (and companies with high profile player endorsements) sometimes influence/dictate player selection?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

What is the popular opinion on squad choices and some of the trickier decisions?

Do we believe the managers make all the decisions and none of the FA's can influence their decisions?

or

Do they make most of them but every now and then they'll get requests or "suggestions" from above and inevitably fold to them sharpish?

Woy would.

 

[caseball]

Leroy's just not a German type player. He'll struggle to get into the national team unless he starts to play inside more and scores goals there. Nothing to do with attitude or age or whatever. He hasn't shone but he never will in that team. The world's best hoofballers have been knocking it down the middle or putting in early crosses for decades.

 

[Sir peace frog]

its not the end of the world for sane ,he needs to find out why he hasn't been chosen and work on those things, all coaches make decisions that aren't popular but they live or die by them,he obviously fancies someone else ,cant knock the bloke he's got a pretty good record for Germany.

 

[Rolee]

its not the end of the world for sane ,he needs to find out why he hasn't been chosen and work on those things, all coaches make decisions that aren't popular but they live or die by them,he obviously fancies someone else ,cant knock the bloke he's got a pretty good record for Germany.

Good in Twin Peaks too.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Ok fair comment. But I didn't really appreciate the snide comments made by Hummels. Over the years City have had to endure a lot of snide comments from Bayern and I can see why so many German fans despise them. I don't think Hummel's comments will be helpful to Leroy at this time.
I have watched virtually every match Sane has played for City. He has mostly been brilliant but like many wingers he tends to play in bursts. I think his workrate is excellent but like a lot of younger players he doesn't pace himself in games and sometimes runs out of steam. This will improve with experience. He is certainly not lazy.

Yeah agreed.

But I wouldn't call Hummels' comments typical Bayern like. I think he was just selling Low's decision as perfectly right to put an end to the public discussion and to strengthen the chosen squad of 23. In that moment it wasn't about helping Leroy but getting behind his squad and boss.

I am absolutely sure the likes of Kroos, Khedira, Hummels, Neuer, Boateng, Müller would never accept
a behaviour by Leroy like joking about "old uncle Yaya".
You have to earn your place, is what they say.

The team is the star, if you don't follow that rule you're out. That's Low's philosophy.
I have the impression Leroy's relaxed body language somehow is seen as half arsed or arrogant.
But again, we and myself are missing internal information.

And yes, Low is a gambler. Leaving out Leroy's brilliance is a big decision.

2014 he called Höwedes for left back who was fantastic.
He also never dropped Ozil who wasn't loved by many, and it worked somehow.
Schürrle and Götze produced the WC winner 2014, and were not seen again later.

We will see a first indication in the opener vs Mexico. Germany wants to have a perfect start into a tournament as usual.
(Only ever lost an opener to Algeria 1982).
If that goes wrong, media have their story for sure.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Leroy's just not a German type player. He'll struggle to get into the national team unless he starts to play inside more and scores goals there. Nothing to do with attitude or age or whatever. He hasn't shone but he never will in that team. The world's best hoofballers have been knocking it down the middle or putting in early crosses for decades.

Not sure what you mean by 'German type player'.

Low is preferring the possession game like Pep.
Leroy has brilliant technical skills, and his pace and ability to take on defenders makes him perfect for young Timo Werner.
We will see that in the future. No idea why you are so pessimistic about Sané's international career.
Sounds a bit like you are talking about Germany in the 80's mate ;-)

 

[Maldeika]

Playing with an overlapping leftfoot on the left - having Kroos mainly on the left as buildup player etc. makes it difficult for Sane to play his City game for Germany.

Germany is anyways a little asymetric - the left side has the ball more often - the right side with Kimmich and Müller mainly provide the assists (or score). I could imagine that a Gnabry - who is injured right now - has more success in the future as long the setup stays similar - than Sane does. When we talk about the youngsters. Gnabry, Werner, Sane and Brandt are all in the same age category. Gnabry is a right foot working on the left. For the ones that have forgotten him after his first steps at Arsenal he was injured and had difficulties to get back - he is now a Bayern player who was on loan to Hoffenheim this season, played 1500 minutes there, scored 10 goals and assisted 7. Let's see how he fares next season in Munich. With Gnabry you always have to hope that he stays fit - he is always near a muscle injury. Hopefully he gets that under control.

 

[caseball]

Not sure what you mean by 'German type player'.

Low is preferring the possession game like Pep.
Leroy has brilliant technical skills, and his pace and ability to take on defenders makes him perfect for young Timo Werner.
We will see that in the future. No idea why you are so pessimistic about Sané's international career.
Sounds a bit like you are talking about Germany in the 80's mate ;-)

Those were my golden years. :o(

But going back quite a long way, Haller, Held, Seeler Muller, Fischer, Rummenigge, Voller, Klinsmann, Riedle, Bierhoff, Klose, Podolski, Gomez, Timo Werner and Gomez again. These are the type of forwards that are a staple of the team. The other forwards that get in are almost always midfielders really. Which Sane will never be as long as he's got a hole in his arse. He's a bit mercurial is Leroy and I don't think the German team goes in for mercurial much.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Those were my golden years. :o(

But going back quite a long way, Haller, Held, Seeler Muller, Fischer, Rummenigge, Voller, Klinsmann, Riedle, Bierhoff, Klose, Podolski, Gomez, Timo Werner and Gomez again. These are the type of forwards that are a staple of the team. The other forwards that get in are almost always midfielders really. Which Sane will never be as long as he's got a hole in his arse. He's a bit mercurial is Leroy and I don't think the German team goes in for mercurial much.

Tbf I would struggle to name a similar accurate list of English strikers over the years from my mind :-/
(Btw I watched the 66 final last night on tv and Mexico 70 quarters, great players on both sides and not a bad style of play at all!)

Certainly Sané is different. But I don't think that was the reason for Low to drop him,
and it's also not the reason for Sané to have underperformed in the national team.

I even think being different can be quite valuable in having an option for special situations. Every coach would like that.

Leroy is a proven skillful player, no doubts. That alone tells me there is more about dropping him than tactics or former performance as the chosen lads didn't shine really as well.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They were shit against Saudi Arabia. Yes they won 2-1 but they were so lucky. They are going to struggle to get out of their group.

 

[caseball]

I'd be very surprised if so. They're experts at this World Cup bollocks. They always do just enough to go through and often get better as they go on.

 

[caseball]

Tbf I would struggle to name a similar accurate list of English strikers over the years from my mind :-/
(Btw I watched the 66 final last night on tv and Mexico 70 quarters, great players on both sides and not a bad style of play at all!)

Certainly Sané is different. But I don't think that was the reason for Low to drop him,
and it's also not the reason for Sané to have underperformed in the national team.

I even think being different can be quite valuable in having an option for special situations. Every coach would like that.

Leroy is a proven skillful player, no doubts. That alone tells me there is more about dropping him than tactics or former performance as the chosen lads didn't shine really as well.

I did have to jog my memory on Fischer and Riedle and I had no idea that Gomez had got the nod this time. I'm a bit surprised about that one tbh. But an English list would only have about five names in it. So, not being English, you probably would struggle to remember nonentities like Emile Heskey. I've been trying to forget him and several others for longer than I care to remember. Better not to know in the first place. Going backwards, we'd have to start at Rooney, Shearer, Lineker, Hurst, Greaves. Yeah, there's not much similarity. Unfortunately for us. But ball-playing attackers for Germany aren't so easy to recall. Libuda, Grabowski, Littbarski. Even the younger fans' favourite player, Reus, has only got 30 caps at the age of 29 (googled that). And he's maybe the most similar to Sane. So it's not a criticism because Germany have done great, but I do think that there might be a distrust of dribblers or ball players, whatever people want to call them. The English seem to dislike defenders who try to play football a bit. I don't know why but we definitely do. We prefer defenders to be just like us. Brave, tough, thick, handsome. Phil Jones. Joking aside, Gascoigne would never have got into Germany's team but he could never have been German anyway, if you see what I mean. Even Netzer split opinion, if I remember right. I actually do think that each country has likes and dislikes when it comes to types of players and probably produces more of the types it likes. Couldn't possibly prove it of course but it's just what I feel.