Me too, mate. I’d given up on seeing us win anything. I think the away quarter final in 2007 at Blackburn (when blues turned on blues) did it for me. After that, I thought we would always capitulate at some point in a cup run (which is all we could ever realistically win back then)

My lads first away game that, aged 9, couldn't believe what he was seeing.

You're not fit to wear the shirt............
 
The way it was explained was that he had enough time to get his arm out of the way (questionable) and that he clenched his fist in order to strengthen the arm for impact rather than naturally bring it to the back (which left the whole panel of ex footballers completely bemused).
I know I watched it.
This is why I don’t see VAR working, because of idiots like Walton and whoever made the decision - because the referee didn’t evidently. How anybody can spend 3 minutes watching that clip and conclude that the handball was deliberate is just beyond me. It’s not the system that’s wrong, it’s the idiots working it.
 
That’s just as naive as your previous comment, please just watch the interview again and look for the sarcasm. Even when he says “it’s a penalty”, he’s clearly talking about the decision which was given as a penalty, not his opinion, as he’s already told you in that first couple of lines why City aren’t ready to win the Champions League yet.

If he says in his opinion they aren’t penalties, you know what the media and UEFA are like, it’ll get escalated beyond belief and turned into a reason to ban him from the touchline. Just like it did after the Liverpool game when the whole world could see at least 5 incorrect decisions that went against us, yet it was Pep who got a touchline ban for actually saying it.
And thats your opinion.
 
The way it was explained was that he had enough time to get his arm out of the way (questionable) and that he clenched his fist in order to strengthen the arm for impact rather than naturally bring it to the back (which left the whole panel of ex footballers completely bemused).
I am not completely sure of the rules, but I have heard it said that VAR should only over-rule a refereeing error that is clear and obvious.

We know the ball was struck from distance and struck Ota's arm. But was he deliberately making himself a bigger target using his arms or was he pulling them in behind his back. You can even say both. I think VAR came to the wrong conclusion. The Fern pen was a pen. We can not dispute this although we see these type of offences all the time and they are rarely given. Unfortunately this one was right in front of the ref and the player made a meal of it.

The Ota 2nd yellow was also very harsh.

I have seen Pep's post-match interview when he accepted the decisions but those interviews contain all kinds of agenda.

This all worked out in our favour. It created a great moment and event that will stay with us in a game that would otherwise have been pretty non-descript.

I am beginning now to think about the potential for this season. Was the comeback our Giggs moment? I didn't want one as I didn't want the tension. It wasn't of the same importance or drama/theatre but it was of a similar kind and it will only help our mentality.
 
I know I watched it.
This is why I don’t see VAR working, because of idiots like Walton and whoever made the decision - because the referee didn’t evidently. How anybody can spend 3 minutes watching that clip and conclude that the handball was deliberate is just beyond me. It’s not the system that’s wrong, it’s the idiots working it.
Agree, IMO the VAR panel should have one ex footballer on there too as it is still an interpretation of the rules that are given to them. A person who hasn't played high level football will interpret the rules differently, as seen last night.
 

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