Scottish independence

[DiscoSteve]

yeah but bollocks to money

Where is the Scottish pride in being an independent nation, the Braveheart mentality ?

You guys had the chance to be your own country, to be truly free of the English and theyre rules and laws and gentry , to be a nation in your own right, and youve blown it for a few extra powers, pathetic..
The bit of Scot in me feels let down

got to agree ... we shat it
the first ever country NOT to vote for independence ... oh the shame

wimps!

 

[blueinsa]

It was never about getting rid of the English or even hating England.
We look at Norway for example, they have less resources than Scotland, less oil, less exports and they still manage to be richer per person, have free healthcare, free schools, a better standard of living, lower unemployment rate and the average Norwegian is roughly £14k per year better off than the average scot. I voted Yes because I believe we could have had that.

The thing that swayed the vote was Cameron's offer of more powers for Scotland, more control over how our country is run and how our money is spent. If that had been an option, I would have voted for it. I don't believe Cameron's offer is real but he managed to convince enough people so now we'll wait and see.

I hate to think what will happen if we don't get those powers, right now there's 1.6million unhappy people, that number will go up massively if it turns out he was bullshitting.

Are you plucking your figures for oil production out of thin-air? Norway produces 2 million barrels a day, more than twice what the UK does - not Scotland, but the entire UK - it also produces more gas than the UK. But that's besides the point, how many banks do you think would have registered in Scotland? What do you think the corporation tax income of the banking/financial sector is compared to oil?
What would you have done if Shetland and Orkney, who accounted for almost a no vote of 67%, had started their own independence movement when they realised they may have been better off outside of iScotland? Increased Irn Bru production?

Why are you using Norway as your example for public spending? Did you want to see £11 pints introduced in Scotland too?

You were sold a false dream that, thankfully, enough of the population recognised for what it was.

Are you plucking your figures for oil production out of thin-air? Norway produces 2 million barrels a day, more than twice what the UK does - not Scotland, but the entire UK - it also produces more gas than the UK.
At present yes, until trident is removed, any oil company will tell you there's more than 100 years worth of premium grade oil on the west coast which can't be touched until trident is removed. Shell have already stated they're willing to invest billions into scottish oil.


But that's besides the point, how many banks do you think would have registered in Scotland?
I was happy when the banks said they were going to register in england, it would keep our money safe during the shit time's we would have had at the start of independence.

Why are you using Norway as your example for public spending? Did you want to see £11 pints introduced in Scotland too?
It's £8 a pint in norway, I've been. Companies charge what people can afford, they charge £8 because the people are so financially better off they can afford to pay it.


Anyway it's over now, the majority have voted. We just need to ensure that we get what was promised by cameron.

Is that the same oil off the western isles whose population had made very clear where not interested in being an independent Scotland?

Like Shetland and Orkney, a yes vote would have seen nothing more than the above wanting their own referendums and either voting to become part of the UK again or going it alone themselves with all that lovely oil.

Do you see what I'm doing here......?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

On a different tack though..........


What gives the political parties the right to make the standard of living in Scotland better than in the UK? was that in their manifesto?

The Tory MPs will ensure Cameron's promises are watered down.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

On a different tack though..........


What gives the political parties the right to make the standard of living in Scotland better than in the UK? was that in their manifesto?

The Tory MPs will ensure Cameron's promises are watered down.

Nope...Im not talking new promises I'm talking about what they already have

1) No Prescription charges.
2) No eye test charges
3) No privatisation of the NHS
4) No University fees
5) No bedroom tax
6) No wholesale sell off of our woodlands
7) Free Nursing care for the elderly in care homes and at home
8) One single operator for our rail network (a British one at that)
9)Free bus travel for under 18's (and under 25's if your a volunteer for a charitable organisation)

Why are we having to put up with the state of this country whereas the north of the border get so much more

 

[dawlish dave]

Pleased that the results from Orkney/Shetland/Western Isles have been pointed out. Why are "Yes" speakers are allowed to bang on about 45% of Scottish people wanting independence? its well less 40% of the electorate never mind the population.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

On a different tack though..........


What gives the political parties the right to make the standard of living in Scotland better than in the UK? was that in their manifesto?

The Tory MPs will ensure Cameron's promises are watered down.

We can but hope

 

[Len Rum]

On a different tack though..........


What gives the political parties the right to make the standard of living in Scotland better than in the UK? was that in their manifesto?

The Tory MPs will ensure Cameron's promises are watered down.

We can but hope

But then it would all kick off again.

Anyway Plaid Cymru are in for the dodgy hairdo formula, so the cat is well out of the bag.

Not sure how 'deal a day' Dave is going to square this one.

However he could take George Harrison's advice:
But it's gonna take money.............i.e. English money
A whole lot of spending money
It'a gonna take plenty of money
To do it right child
I got my mind set on you etc etc.

 

[coleridge]

Salmond has resigned.

Wee Crankie will probably take over.

So, Cameron has the last laugh.

Most Scots want to be British. All you Bravehearts better get over it and move on. Long live Scotland! Long live the Union!

 

[johnmc]

Salmond resigns

 

[Tuearts right boot]

The Catalans should be next. Likewise, that should upset a few die hards.