Scottish Independence

[Fame Monster]

Genuine question does the Scottish economy ( or projected economy)meet the criteria to join the euro zone ?

No, they're not even close to becoming eligible.

 

[Saddleworth2]

8% of the Uk’s Population generates 60% of the Uks fiscal deficit....
A) is true because it says so in GERS
B) is false because it makes hee haw common sense and is the product of accounting practices aimed at undermining the independence case.

 

[Coatigan]

The mandate for Brexit comes from the result of the EU referendum more than the 2019 general election. The 2019 GE was bound up in other issues, just like the Holyrood election so it is difficult to say what people want on Brexit or Scexit outside of a referendum therefore we have to respect the recent results in my view.

You're right that Brexit changes things and once Brexit is done and we've understood what that means and the SNP have the majority of the popular vote in Scotland, and the polling suggests Scotland want independence then I think there should be another referendum but those things don't exist now therefore neither does the mandate in my opinion.

I think it will be a good 15 years before those things happen in my opinion if they do happen at all.

Tbf, i was beinf facetious in my response to the first paragraph.

Re the second one, that is presumptious and imho not relevant. who decides that anyone should wait for the outcone of a done brexit to be clear before any further decisions are made on anything? there is a party, offering a choice between being a part of a brexit uk, and something else (whatever you or i may think of the merits of either). They continue to win commanding majorities, in both parliaments. They have the mandate. They may not have the desire potentially, fair enough, but there is no arguement anyone needs to wait for anything.

I don't get whether oeople deliberately ignore the last Scottish election result, and parliament's decision on the referendum, or just arent aware of it. But the mandate really is undeniable.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yes they absolutely undoubtedly do. As for whether it will or won't, time will tell. Imho, it will (make it more likely). note that doesnt mean i think it'll happen.

No they undoubtedly don’t.

The only pro Independence Party only secured 45% of the vote, which is a party that is lent votes by social democrats and centrist voters, who don’t wish to see Scotland go independent.

Scotland had a referendum in 2014, in which the current SNP Leader described as “once in a generation”.

There’s less of a mandate for it than another Brexit vote and there’s absolutely no mandate for that.

 

[waspish]

They will be out of the eu before they get another referendum if they aloud to have one! If they win it they then want to leave the uk and rejoin the eu?! This aint happening is it?

 

[west didsblue]

No they undoubtedly don’t.

The only pro Independence Party only secured 45% of the vote, which is a party that is lent votes by social democrats and centrist voters, who don’t wish to see Scotland go independent.

Scotland had a referendum in 2014, in which the current SNP Leader described as “once in a generation”.

There’s less of a mandate for it than another Brexit vote and there’s absolutely no mandate for that.

Quite a coincidence that the pro Independence Party in Scotland secured 45% of the popular vote and the pro-Brexit parties in the UK also secured 45% of the popular vote.

Yet the 45% vote in the UK election is seen as affirmation of the Brexit vote whilst the 45% vote for the SNP in Scotland is seen as a minority view against independence.

I don’t want Scotland to leave the UK but no-one can argue that there has not been a material change in Scotland’s status since 2014 when one of the main arguments for staying in the UK union was continued membership of the EU. There is no justification in denying them another referendum.

 

[Gabriel]

They will be out of the eu before they get another referendum if they aloud to have one! If they win it they then want to leave the uk and rejoin the eu?! This aint happening is it?

If Scotland is taken out of the EU against the will of its people, and its people decide they wish another referendum (telling them they are not ‘allowed’ one is counterproductive), then its people might just decide one Union is preferable to an other Union.

 

[George Hannah]

... They continue to win commanding majorities, in both parliaments. They have the mandate. They may not have the desire potentially, fair enough, but there is no arguement anyone needs to wait for anything. I don't get whether people deliberately ignore the last Scottish election result, and parliament's decision on the referendum, or just arent aware of it. But the mandate really is undeniable.

Simply untrue because there was an independence poll in 2014 which was agreed in advance by them would settle the matter for a generation. The SNP no longer accept that result, Brexit is another referendum result they don't accept and they use it as a fake pretext. The only results they accept are the ones they want. Fortunately most people there still seem to think its a stupid idea from every possible angle. Presumably progressively more of them after Brexit is concluded and the UK adapts to new trading conditions.

 

[waspish]

If Scotland is taken out of the EU against the will of its people, and its people decide they wish another referendum (telling them they are not ‘allowed’ one is counterproductive), then its people might just decide one Union is preferable to an other Union.

What you on about scotland are apart of the uk.

 

[Gabriel]

What you on about scotland are apart of the uk.

I’m well aware that it is, but I’m also aware that a sizeable number of its people would prefer it not to be.