Scottish Independence

[inbetween]

The arrogance of some of the English nationalist posters on here is breathtaking. If I were a Scottish unionist I would seriously be considering changing my position when I see the smug attitude from those that think that they personally subsidise Scotland out of their own pockets. The reason cash needs to flow north and west from London to Scotland, Wales and the English regions is down to government policy, not because of grasping jocks. If every Scot working in London could take their work with them and move it to Scotland, the 7% deficit would disappear overnight. If Scotland gained independence from the UK and managed to get a promise of membership from the EU subject to meeting the deficit requirements, it would disappear in next to no time when UK companies who mostly trade with Europe move some of their operations up there to enable single market access.

I don't understand your latter point. Why will UK companies move to Scotland to get single market access? The whole point of the next Brexit phase is to negotiate single market access. Even Canada has single market access.

Scotlands two major export destinations are the rest of the UK and the USA. If Scotland leaves, they will lose out on UK trade and they will lose out on any benefits gained from a future US trade deal.

They trade almost 10x more with the UK than they do with the entirety of the EU.

Leaving the UK would be a total disaster for them.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It means those that are quite happy to see the end of the UK union as a consequence of Brexit, and are either hostile or ambivalent to Scotland and NI remaining part of the UK because they take offence at Sturgeon's views and begrudge the fact that there is a flow of money from the UK to Scotland and NI. It doesn't take too much reading of this thread to work out who falls into this category.

give over with your bollox.

Scotland had an independence referendum before the uk voted on brexit and the Scottish NATIONALIST party have always had it as their main goal .

stop blaming brexit for the snp trying to seek independence for Scotland. They would use anything they can to achieve their goal. Good luck to them.

 

[blueinsa]

It means those that are quite happy to see the end of the UK union as a consequence of Brexit, and are either hostile or ambivalent to Scotland and NI remaining part of the UK because they take offence at Sturgeon's views and begrudge the fact that there is a flow of money from the UK to Scotland and NI. It doesn't take too much reading of this thread to work out who falls into this category.

OK so if you support brexit you're an English Nationalist? Does that include the over 1 Millions Scots, near 900,000 Welsh and near 400,000 Norther Irish that voted for it?

As for begrudging a flow of money....i can remember the outcry when £1.5 Billion went to Northern Ireland a few years back. Are they all Nationalists as well?

I think what you see are posters looking on and seeing the likes of the SNP demand a democratic vote is ignored, forget the will of the people and lets stay in a political union they like whilst arguing the complete opposite because it suits.

Pointing out rank hypocrisy isn't a sign of Nationalism.

 

[west didsblue]

give over with your bollox.

Scotland had an independence referendum before the uk voted on brexit and the Scottish NATIONALIST party have always had it as their main goal .

stop blaming brexit for the snp trying to seek independence for Scotland. They would use anything they can to achieve their goal. Good luck to them.

Well done for answering a point I hadn't made.

 

[west didsblue]

OK so if you support brexit you're an English Nationalist? Does that include the over 1 Millions Scots, near 900,000 Welsh and near 400,000 Norther Irish that voted for it?

As for begrudging a flow of money....i can remember the outcry when £1.5 Billion went to Northern Ireland a few years back. Are they all Nationalists as well?

I think what you see are posters looking on and seeing the likes of the SNP demand a democratic vote is ignored, forget the will of the people and lets stay in a political union they like whilst arguing the complete opposite because it suits.

Pointing out rank hypocrisy isn't a sign of Nationalism.

FFS, I'm talking about those that want Scotland to fuck off not Brexit supporters in general.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Well done for answering a point I hadn't made.

read your opening sentence, I know you don’t really read other people posts but perhaps read your own,

 

[blueinsa]

Well done for answering a point I hadn't made.

Give over, its all about brexit for you.

Always has and always will be.

So much so you will now support Scottish independence so you can shut told you so lol.

Thankfully, much like your remain stance it wont happen.

Whats next?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

FFS, I'm talking about those that want Scotland to fuck off not Brexit supporters in general.

as I have said before it’s the snp who want to fuck us off, not the other way around . Funnily enough there is no political party or movement in england to fuck Scotland off, in fact the Tories opposes it but Labour I think were ok with it.

your post is an attempt to blame brexit voters for the snp wanting independence which is not chicken and egg at all , as we all know the SNP were seeking independence long before brexit.

that said if the majority population of any country votes democratically to leave any union then that should be respected, don’t you think?

 

[west didsblue]

as I have said before it’s the snp who want to fuck us off, not the other way around . Funnily enough there is no political party or movement in england to fuck Scotland off, in fact the Tories opposes it but Labour I think we’re ok with it.

your post is an attempt to blame brexit voters for the snp wanting independence which is not chicken and egg at all , as we all know the SNP were seeking independence long before brexit.

that said if the majority population of any country votes democratically to leave any union then that should be respected, don’t you think?

Read churchlawtonblue's posts for example. There's plenty more on a similar vein.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Read churchlawtonblue's posts for example. There's plenty more on a similar vein.

he is pointing out the unfairness of the Barnett formula relative to other deprived parts of the uk. I think that is a fair point , don’t you?