Scottish Independence

[blueparrot]

So you think more people voted for the SNP but dont want independence,than those that do? if you disagree with that statement you do have an idea dont you?

Nothing like what I said.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

They wouldn't have to have their own passport ... they would use the Eu template.

They can use their revenue generated from the Oil fields in their waters rather than passing it to the UK.

They don't have to trade separately with the UK ... It would be covered by whatever agreement the Eu negotiates with the the UK

They have their own currency at the mo... it would just need to be guaranteed by the European Bank or they could go with the Euro

Operators in the Scottish oil fields are currently spending £1 Billion/year in operating cost, subsidised by the UK Government (British taxpayers). The National Audit Office predict £24 Billion in subsidies to the Scottish oil fields over the next 45 years, although that figure could go up or down.

If Scotland leave the UK, they can kiss that money goodbye, and suddenly $50/barrel doesn't look that profitable.

 

[hgblue]

To answer your first question, Yes. And, No.
To some extent, there is an inherent hypocrisy, but on the other hand, having consistently asked that Scotland be treated equally in the brexit process, and having been percievably denied this, i can see sense in what she claims to represent, as an elected leader of a nation.

It is never black and/or white. I don't agree with everything she claims, just like i don't disagree with everything Boris claims.

To answer your other questions, honestly, i genuinely don't know how it could or might play out, if it ever got that far. And i doubt you or others do too. A long way to go before it becomes even remotely relevant i guess.

When we voted on whether or not to leave the EU, we voted as one Great Britain and NI. This was made clear time and time again. Every vote carried the same weight regardless of where the voter happened to reside. Perfectly possible that we would have voted Remain with the balance tipped by the majority of people in Scotland voting that way. What you seem to be suggesting is that the people of Scotland be given a veto, but if that had happened the shit would really have hit the fan with the majority being kept in the EU against it's will. This would have eventually led to a huge constitutional crisis anyway, so the only reasonable outcome is for the country to leave as was decided in the referendum and the people of Scotland then decide whether they still want to remain part of the UK or not. In my opinion, the case for independence becomes a lot more difficult once the UK is out of the EU and this is the real reason for Sturgeon's desperation.

 

[hilts]

To answer your first question, Yes. And, No.
To some extent, there is an inherent hypocrisy, but on the other hand, having consistently asked that Scotland be treated equally in the brexit process, and having been percievably denied this, i can see sense in what she claims to represent, as an elected leader of a nation.

It is never black and/or white. I don't agree with everything she claims, just like i don't disagree with everything Boris claims.

To answer your other questions, honestly, i genuinely don't know how it could or might play out, if it ever got that far. And i doubt you or others do too. A long way to go before it becomes even remotely relevant i guess.

Equal to who in the brexit process? The often quoted Scotland voted remain so should get some special treatment is frankly bollocks. Scotland are in a Union and the clue to what that means is in the name.

 

[BobKowalski]

It maybe irrelevant to says things on a forum, But its how i feel and its what i would like and i will state it if you want. You can put that argument up about anything on this forum? i really dont see what point you are making aside from stating the obvious!

I’ll put it a different way. You expend energy bemoaning Strugeon, Scotland et al for the crime of having a voice and power and attempting to leverage them to benefit Scotland and you expend energy bemoaning regional wealth imbalance which is precisely down to these regions lacking what Scotland has, a voice and power, and all this a week after England votes in a Govt dedicated to making sure these regions remain powerless and less wealthy.

If you keep siding with those fucking you over you will keep getting fucked.

 

[BobKowalski]

When we voted on whether or not to leave the EU, we voted as one Great Britain and NI. This was made clear time and time again. Every vote carried the same weight regardless of where the voter happened to reside. Perfectly possible that we would have voted Remain with the balance tipped by the majority of people in Scotland voting that way. What you seem to be suggesting is that the people of Scotland be given a veto, but if that had happened the shit would really have hit the fan with the majority being kept in the EU against it's will. This would have eventually led to a huge constitutional crisis anyway, so the only reasonable outcome is for the country to leave as was decided in the referendum and the people of Scotland then decide whether they still want to remain part of the UK or not. In my opinion, the case for independence becomes a lot more difficult once the UK is out of the EU and this is the real reason for Sturgeon's desperation.

Then why have we left NI under the economic writ of the EU?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

To answer your first question, Yes. And, No.
To some extent, there is an inherent hypocrisy, but on the other hand, having consistently asked that Scotland be treated equally in the brexit process, and having been percievably denied this, i can see sense in what she claims to represent, as an elected leader of a nation.

It is never black and/or white. I don't agree with everything she claims, just like i don't disagree with everything Boris claims.

To answer your other questions, honestly, i genuinely don't know how it could or might play out, if it ever got that far. And i doubt you or others do too. A long way to go before it becomes even remotely relevant i guess.

Thanks for your responses , a good little debate. Have a good Christmas.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I’ll put it a different way. You expend energy bemoaning Strugeon, Scotland et al for the crime of having a voice and power and attempting to leverage them to benefit Scotland and you expend energy bemoaning regional wealth imbalance which is precisely down to these regions lacking what Scotland has, a voice and power, and all this a week after England votes in a Govt dedicated to making sure these regions remain powerless and less wealthy.

If you keep siding with those fucking you over you will keep getting fucked.

Firstly dont be as presumptuous as to asume you know how or or i vote for, as you have no idea, and to state as much like you did clearly weakens any point you are trying to make.

It's also a shame you are unable to debate anything on here without returning to your one sided view of the politics even when it has very little to do with the point of discussion!

I feel sometimes Bob you just argue with people on here for the sake of it. NY coming up perhaps try turning over a new leaf?

 

[BobKowalski]

Equal to who in the brexit process? The often quoted Scotland voted remain so should get some special treatment is frankly bollocks. Scotland are in a Union and the clue to what that means is in the name.

So is NI. Yet it has been treated differently. We have decided that the economic writ of the EU shall run in NI. The EU Single Market will apply in some NI sectors. We have decided to divide our Union with an internal customs border.

It seems the ‘Union’ only applies when it suits England.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Nothing like what I said.

Think about it?