Scottish Independence

[Ban-jani]

So I clearly believe that the Scottish people have a right to say they want/do not want to be in the UK. The frequency is dependent on circumstance and circumstances have materially changed since the last one. If we voted no again fair enough but then if westminster move the goalposts materially and there is clearly a demand then have another.

The Scottish people had their say less than 6 years ago and defining circumstance is purely down to perspective.

6 years isn’t a generation as promised.

 

[blueinsa]

Not seen that for years lol

 

[Saddleworth2]

The Scottish people had their say less than 6 years ago and defining circumstance is purely down to perspective.

6 years isn’t a generation as promised.

As promised? By whom? The sex fiend? Very weak argument my friend. The democracy and voice of a nation is not down to one man or woman be they Salmon/Sturgeon or Johnson. Another referendum is inevitable as long as a Westminster government that hasn’t had a majority in Scotland for decades pulls the strings.

 

[Ban-jani]

As promised? By whom? The sex fiend? Very weak argument my friend. The democracy and voice of a nation is not down to one man or woman be they Salmon/Sturgeon or Johnson. Another referendum is inevitable as long as a Westminster government that hasn’t had a majority in Scotland for decades pulls the strings.

Not just the rapist, no, Sturgeon was on record saying it several times, it was advertised as that.

I don’t like referendums that much anyway and to have them several times in a decade over the same subject, is absolutely stupid.

We need to give Brexit a bit of time and the chance for us to really understand the impacts over several years before even thinking about it.

 

[Coatigan]

You want another referendum, clearly.

Answer the question, how many times does Scotland have to vote before Nicola accepts it?

The Scottish people had their say less than 6 years ago and defining circumstance is purely down to perspective.

6 years isn’t a generation as promised.

You still seem not to be getting the arguement that a few here (not just scots btw) are making.

The number of times that question gets asked, and the timing of asking, is entirely up to the Scots to decide. By voting in a government/parliament that either will or won't ask that question. If they want one every bloody parliamentary term, and the public support that, then that is their right.

And if there is no appetite, which i and you are currently both claiming/agreeing there isn't, then no party would be daft to keep asking.

I have been consistent in saying i don't want another indyref. Even with brexit. I did not vote for the SNP in 2016 Specifically because of said pledge in their manifesto to reserve the right to hold a referendum if Brexit affected it. Heck, il go as far as saying, Boris speaks for me when he says 'Scottish people don't want the uncertainty of another referendum'. I'm one of those people.

But i'm not going to dispute the logic of that decision being up to the people of Scotland and the devolved government they elect. Hence my point about the mandate being there, currently, and after 2021, perhaps even more so (time will tell).

In the very same way, that had the brexit referendum seen a remain victory, and UKIP or BXP or whichever other party won the subsequent election on the pledge of another referendum, sure as anything another one would be happening, and the logic would be the same.

I'm not asking you to agree with that in the slightest. Just to understand it.

 

[Ban-jani]

The number of times that question gets asked, and the timing of asking, is entirely up to the Scots to decide.

I get what they’re saying and I disagree.

It’s evidently up to the UK parliament and elected government.

The Scottish people cannot just keep having them and voting no, the UK government won’t accept it.

 

[Coatigan]

I get what they’re saying and I disagree.

It’s evidently up to the UK parliament and elected government.

The Scottish people cannot just keep having them and voting no, the UK government won’t accept it.

And therein lies the constitutional conundrum of the precious union of equals.

I'm not trying to be wide. I do know what you mean. But fuck me if the EU were to say they wouldnt accept the UK asking that question, to leave the union, we'd all be (myself included) in arms. And you can bet it would feed the desire to leave, even amongst some that might not particularly want it.

 

[blueinsa]

Off to court again it seems to force through the ref.

I can see Madrid and Spain supporting that course of action come any application to rejoin the EU if its successful.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Off to court again it seems to force through the ref.

I can see Madrid and Spain supporting that course of action come any application to rejoin the EU if its successful.

I think we need to be careful about scoffing at indy ref 2. We've all seen what arrogantly dismissing referenda and independence can do ;-)

 

[blueinsa]

I think we need to be careful about scoffing at indy ref 2. We've all seen what arrogantly dismissing referenda and independence can do ;-)

Whilst i dont want it and won't vote for it, I live up here I will totally respect any result from one.

I just don't see it happening anytime soon.