Scrapping VAT and removing charitable schools - Labour policy - do you agree with it ?

Why? Your suggestion is that everyone receiving any kind of bursary (and bear in mind that it's less than 1% who get all their fees paid) plus a good chunk of those paying full fees, will drop out.

The history of price rises in the sector, and the minimal effect they've had on numbers, suggests that there is no way 15% would drop out. I'd be willing to bet in that one :)

~45,000 kids get some help (9%). They get help because they can’t afford the full fees currently. Adding another 20% isn’t going to make that problem go away. It’s going to drag more parents in to the “can’t afford it” bracket especially with the increases in cost of living.

So you ask the school to pay more of those fees for those already on bursaries and then some who weren’t now asking for help, the very school that has just lost its charitable status and points to bursaries as their charitable credentials. Guess how that conversation goes… if I was the business manager I’d be focusing whatever help I could provide to those who could afford to pay the most, any kid already on a bursary would be at risk of having it withdrawn.
 
~45,000 kids get some help (9%). They get help because they can’t afford the full fees currently. Adding another 20% isn’t going to make that problem go away. It’s going to drag more parents in to the “can’t afford it” bracket especially with the increases in cost of living.

So you ask the school to pay more of those fees for those already on bursaries and then some who weren’t now asking for help, the very school that has just lost its charitable status and points to bursaries as their charitable credentials. Guess how that conversation goes… if I was the business manager I’d be focusing whatever help I could provide to those who could afford to pay the most, any kid already on a bursary would be at risk of having it withdrawn.
That’s exactly what will happen. The rich will want to protect the school and their own kids education, the school will want to protect its existence, the first casualty will be those on bursaries, but never mind there will be a place in the State system for them.
 
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That’s exactly what will happen. The rich will want to protect the school and their own kids education, the school will want to protect its existence, the first casualty will be those on bursaries, but never mind there will be a place in the State system for them.

One of the reasons the conservatives wanted to also implement getting rid of the VAT exemption was because private schools aren’t doing anywhere near enough with bursaries or assisting the state sector. A high proportion of them still go to pupils from very wealthy backgrounds but still get it due to sporting or musical prowess.
 
If you scrap fee paying schools completely, turn Eton etc into hotels then that will surely concentrate the minds of the people with the levers of power to make sure state education is the very best for every kid and we actually end up with a meritocracy.

The likes of Rees Mogg would not want his children going to schools that like mine were riddled with asbestos, had cold mobile classrooms, too few books to go around and my school was one of the better ones in the area. The likes of Rees Mogg would insist education was funded properly with high quality well paid teaching staff in buildings that were fit for purpose.

Every child deserves to be given the chance to fulfill their potential, every child deserves to also follow their dreams and learn what they find interesting and rewarding to them.

At the moment we have education secretaries who decide policy and we end up with the likes of Gove thinking rote learning for all is the way to go, what a fucking idiot he is, but his school background has made him believe that is the way forward and all he wants it to do is produce units of production drones not kids who have been encouraged to think critically about the world and its problems, not kids who can enjoy the arts, not kids who can challenge political orthodoxy because they can actually think differently.

Starmer to his credit has introduced the concept of Oracy, which I believe is a fabulous concept. Kids should be given the tools to express themselves verbally and be encouraged to engage in debate. That can not happen if you are under a regime of rote learning where every kid can name all the Kings and Queens going back to the Norman invasion. There should also be provision for kids who not academically gifted, we all have different gifts and everyone should be catered for if a schooling system is to produce well rounded young adults. That means giving the kids who want it a chance to learn technical skills alongside decent literacy and maths, a basic knowledge of history and in my opinion introducing kids to reading for enjoyment rather than for qualifications.

Sport is also important and there is no bigger crime than the selling off of state school sports fields. Kids should do PE and be given the chance to play football, cricket,athletics,rugby etc.

Most of all though, school should be fun, kids should want to go to school and enjoy being there in a safe and welcoming environment. An environment that can produce tomorrows brilliant people of course but an environment that should also give the less able amongst us a sense of achievement


A well educated and happy workforce is vital for economic productivity by undervaluing kids education we will not achieve that and we will remain in the morass of this governments making, where they value an Etonian more than an East Manchester high school kid and that has to stop.
 
If you scrap fee paying schools completely, turn Eton etc into hotels then that will surely concentrate the minds of the people with the levers of power to make sure state education is the very best for every kid and we actually end up with a meritocracy.

The likes of Rees Mogg would not want his children going to schools that like mine were riddled with asbestos, had cold mobile classrooms, too few books to go around and my school was one of the better ones in the area. The likes of Rees Mogg would insist education was funded properly with high quality well paid teaching staff in buildings that were fit for purpose.

Every child deserves to be given the chance to fulfill their potential, every child deserves to also follow their dreams and learn what they find interesting and rewarding to them.

At the moment we have education secretaries who decide policy and we end up with the likes of Gove thinking rote learning for all is the way to go, what a fucking idiot he is, but his school background has made him believe that is the way forward and all he wants it to do is produce units of production drones not kids who have been encouraged to think critically about the world and its problems, not kids who can enjoy the arts, not kids who can challenge political orthodoxy because they can actually think differently.

Starmer to his credit has introduced the concept of Oracy, which I believe is a fabulous concept. Kids should be given the tools to express themselves verbally and be encouraged to engage in debate. That can not happen if you are under a regime of rote learning where every kid can name all the Kings and Queens going back to the Norman invasion. There should also be provision for kids who not academically gifted, we all have different gifts and everyone should be catered for if a schooling system is to produce well rounded young adults. That means giving the kids who want it a chance to learn technical skills alongside decent literacy and maths, a basic knowledge of history and in my opinion introducing kids to reading for enjoyment rather than for qualifications.

Sport is also important and there is no bigger crime than the selling off of state school sports fields. Kids should do PE and be given the chance to play football, cricket,athletics,rugby etc.

Most of all though, school should be fun, kids should want to go to school and enjoy being there in a safe and welcoming environment. An environment that can produce tomorrows brilliant people of course but an environment that should also give the less able amongst us a sense of achievement


A well educated and happy workforce is vital for economic productivity by undervaluing kids education we will not achieve that and we will remain in the morass of this governments making, where they value an Etonian more than an East Manchester high school kid and that has to stop.
Double like.
 
The masses will soak it up 'cos it's something they will never aspire to, and politics is a perfect breeding ground for envy!

It’s a pretty pathetic thing to aspire to, tbh. Outsourcing the emotional abuse of your children to school masters and school bullies.

I suppose if their semi-sociopathic children grow up to earn six figure salaries it would have all been worthwhile.
 

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