Shamima Begum

[domalino]

you can read about it here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...british-citizenship-last-15-years-study-finds

Some great context in that article for the people in favour of this.

In one case revealed by the Observer this week, a 40-year-old man, referred to only as E3, was stripped of his British citizenship in 2017. He was born in London to parents of Bangladeshi heritage, but had his citizenship removed when he flew to Bangladesh.​

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He was told he was an “Islamist extremist who had previously sought to travel abroad to participate in terrorism-related activity”. He has never been arrested or questioned in relation to these claims, nor has he been provided with any evidence which substantiates these claims.​

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Using the logic the government used in this case, approx 11 million British people can now be summarily stripped of their citizenship having been accused of a crime by unknown persons, with zero legal process, no evidence and no judicial oversight.

And several senior government members, including the last 3 Prime Ministers, the deputy prime minister and the home secretary all want to remove the UK from your only recourse to fight that - the ECHR.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

you can read about it here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...british-citizenship-last-15-years-study-finds

Doesn’t seem to back your argument up much.

 

[Bigga]

The father?

That would only be speculation, wouldn't it?

 

[Bigga]

Can anyone on here prove she's not a threat to the country? this isn't gang culture, this is militia warfare we're talking about. GCHQ and MI6 think the same and I'd prefer to take their word for it than people on bluemoon. She's been brainwashed which can't be undone, sad but that's the facts. Keep her far away from here as possible

???

Is she any more "a threat" than those that held weapons to actually shoot at enemies, perhaps taking lives, that have returned and served time?

Does that threat level drop cos they came back and went to prison?

I'm confused as to whether a 'Jihadi bride' is more of a threat to you than a man with blood on their hands...

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Doesn’t seem to back your argument up much.

eh, I said 150+ have had the citizenship removed, you said bullshit I showed you proof that over 480 have had their citizenship removed. What more do you want?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

eh, I said 150+ have had the citizenship removed, you said bullshit I showed you proof that over 480 have had their citizenship removed. What more do you want?

Deportation of @BerkshireBlue would be a start.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

eh, I said 150+ have had the citizenship removed, you said bullshit I showed you proof that over 480 have had their citizenship removed. What more do you want?

It shows that the government is making the rules up as they go. All 480 will appeal and the government will lose at some point.

It’s all grandstanding. They know that they don’t have international law on their side.

 

[Blue Mist]

Citation? Recordings are admissible.

For the police, security services to listen to two people talking on the phone, without their knowledge, the need the authority of the Home Secretary. Any information obtained can be acted upon however the actual recording cannot be used.
The Interception of Communications Act 1979 covers this.

 

[Blue Mist]

I've heard some really STUPID reasoning and this is up there with them.

Intelligence is separate from emotional reasoning and at 15, one can think they are grown up enough to make adult decisions without having the ability to reflect on how their future would be affected.

As a adult, hindsight is 20/20.

15 year olds lie about age, lie about sex and lie about just about anything to make themselves older than their age when they have the drive to do so.

Anybody listening to the M16 agent and not factoring how they were (and people they know) at 15 is a complete fucking idiot.

@Bigga. Please note. I merely said it was interesting. I was simply stating what was said in court.

 

[Bigga]

@Bigga. Please note. I merely said it was interesting. I was simply stating what was said in court.

I noted it.

I never stated 'you' as a personal involvement, just dissecting what the M16 agent said and querying anyone not putting that into perspective.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

It shows that the government is making the rules up as they go. All 480 will appeal and the government will lose at some point.

It’s all grandstanding. They know that they don’t have international law on their side.

my point is her case isn't unique. She is one of hundreds that have had their citizenship quite rightly removed. It isn't a media witchhunt like people have been told. Why is this case any different from the other 480?

I'm expecting her to lose the case like the Rwanda flight which seemed against international law as well

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

For the police, security services to listen to two people talking on the phone, without their knowledge, the need the authority of the Home Secretary. Any information obtained can be acted upon however the actual recording cannot be used.
The Interception of Communications Act 1979 covers this.

I'm sure it does mate but it's an Australian Act of Parliament.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

my point is her case isn't unique. She is one of hundreds that have had their citizenship quite rightly removed. It isn't a media witchhunt like people have been told. Why is this case any different from the other 480?

I'm expecting her to lose the case like the Rwanda flight which seemed against international law as well

Bit dishonest to use that figure, the majority of those are people who obtained British Nationality through fraud.

As you well know.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

my point is her case isn't unique. She is one of hundreds that have had their citizenship quite rightly removed. It isn't a media witchhunt like people have been told. Why is this case any different from the other 480?

I'm expecting her to lose the case like the Rwanda flight which seemed against international law as well

I note your commentary on her case, but will await the results of it before making further comment on it.

People can’t just be flown to Rwanda before their cases for asylum are heard. This is why the plane still stands empty in its hangar.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Bit dishonest to use that figure, the majority of those are people who obtained British Nationality through fraud.

As you well know.

I said 150 mate, Tash used the 480

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I said 150 mate, Tash used the 480

You used a different number. It doesn’t really matter what that was.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

I note your commentary on her case, but will await the results of it before making further comment on it.

People can’t just be flown to Rwanda before their cases for asylum are heard. This is why the plane still stands empty in its hangar.

wise position

 

[Allnightlong]

That would only be speculation, wouldn't it?

He took her on Islamist marches at the age of 13.
Would have thought a day trip to Lego land would have been better. But that’s just speculation isn’t it?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

He took her on Islamist marches at the age of 13.
Would have thought a day trip to Lego land would have been better. But that’s just speculation isn’t it?

Is it a criminal offence to take her on said marches?

 

[Allnightlong]

Is it a criminal offence to take her on said marches?

No.
But it obviously didn’t do her any good.