Shootings in Paris

[Prestwich_Blue]

You really believe this is about saying 'fuck you' to Muslims? Don't they also take the piss out of other religious figures? I'm still waiting for Jewish/Christian posters to come on here ranting about such offensive cartoons. I actually get the feeling you'd like your accusations to be true for some weird reason.

I think we need to look at demographics. Jews and Christians have been pretty much settled in their respective areas across Europe for generations. That leads to a sense of security and acceptance.
If your environment is somewhat 'new' then you will feel less secure.

Fair dues to them after the last century or so then. All the ones fucking off to Israel from France this week might disagree with you though.

There were few communities who felt more secure and accepted than the German Jews prior to 1933. Even then, racial supremacists like Houston Stewart Chamberlain, were warning that Jews would corrupt the "noble" German character. This eerily reflects modern-day comments like "They're trying to force their beliefs on us", "They need to accept our values & culture" and "Multi-culturalism has been a failure."

Once the Nazis came to power, the main outlet for their anti-semitism was the newspaper Der Sturmer, which published crude, anti-semitic cartoons.

In 1938, a young Polish Jew walked into the German Embassy in Paris and shot dead Ernst vom Rath, a German diplomat, in protest at his parents being expelled from Germany. This was the catalyst for Kristallnacht, which was effectively the start of the Holocaust.

I'm sure that stirring up racial hatred on a huge scale wasn't in any way the intention of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists but actions sometimes have unintended consequences.

 

[mackenzie]

You really believe this is about saying 'fuck you' to Muslims? Don't they also take the piss out of other religious figures? I'm still waiting for Jewish/Christian posters to come on here ranting about such offensive cartoons. I actually get the feeling you'd like your accusations to be true for some weird reason.

The biggest fuck you, you could ever give to Muslim. And the reason they did it? For no other reason than that they could and the Muslims could like it or lump it. As I remember it, there was no great crisis of free speech they were trying to address. Nobody was attacking free speech at the time. It was a straw man put up to inflame the Muslim community and to put the Muslim minority in it's place.

So they killed a load of people.
Give it a fucking rest, if it wasn't this, they'd be killing people for some other reason. What is the world supposed to do, walk around on eggshells to avoid upsetting a load of overly sensitive thick c**ts?

What do you really expect the world to be like? Some kind of Utopia where everyone gets along? Where each and everyone of us accepts anything that is thrown at us?
It's never been like that and never will be.

 

[Barcon]

The biggest fuck you, you could ever give to Muslim. And the reason they did it? For no other reason than that they could and the Muslims could like it or lump it. As I remember it, there was no great crisis of free speech they were trying to address. Nobody was attacking free speech at the time. It was a straw man put up to inflame the Muslim community and to put the Muslim minority in it's place.

So they killed a load of people.
Give it a fucking rest, if it wasn't this, they'd be killing people for some other reason. What is the world supposed to do, walk around on eggshells to avoid upsetting a load of overly sensitive thick c**ts?

What do you really expect the world to be like? Some kind of Utopia where everyone gets along? Where each and everyone of us accepts anything that is thrown at us?
It's never been like that and never will be.

Not at all. What a bizarre thing to say.

 

[mackenzie]

So they killed a load of people.
Give it a fucking rest, if it wasn't this, they'd be killing people for some other reason. What is the world supposed to do, walk around on eggshells to avoid upsetting a load of overly sensitive thick c**ts?

What do you really expect the world to be like? Some kind of Utopia where everyone gets along? Where each and everyone of us accepts anything that is thrown at us?
It's never been like that and never will be.

Not at all. What a bizarre thing to say.

Just checking that you understand about eggshells; that everyone has and anyone can stand on.

 

[Balti]

I think we need to look at demographics. Jews and Christians have been pretty much settled in their respective areas across Europe for generations. That leads to a sense of security and acceptance.
If your environment is somewhat 'new' then you will feel less secure.

Fair dues to them after the last century or so then. All the ones fucking off to Israel from France this week might disagree with you though.

There were few communities who felt more secure and accepted than the German Jews prior to 1933. Even then, racial supremacists like Houston Stewart Chamberlain, were warning that Jews would corrupt the "noble" German character. This eerily reflects modern-day comments like "They're trying to force their beliefs on us", "They need to accept our values & culture" and "Multi-culturalism has been a failure."

Once the Nazis came to power, the main outlet for their anti-semitism was the newspaper Der Sturmer, which published crude, anti-semitic cartoons.

In 1938, a young Polish Jew walked into the German Embassy in Paris and shot dead Ernst vom Rath, a German diplomat, in protest at his parents being expelled from Germany. This was the catalyst for Kristallnacht, which was effectively the start of the Holocaust.

I'm sure that stirring up racial hatred on a huge scale wasn't in any way the intention of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists but actions sometimes have unintended consequences.

According to some on here you'd think it was a one-sided situation where poor muslims were always being victimised by nasty horrible non-muslims

Charlie Hebdo have hardly had exclusive rights on stirring up a hornets nest tbf

Many of us are seriously wound up by these people when they burn poppies on armistice day etc but no-one goes out and murders them and anyone else who happens to be around.

Respect is a two way street.

 

[Barcon]

What do you really expect the world to be like? Some kind of Utopia where everyone gets along? Where each and everyone of us accepts anything that is thrown at us?
It's never been like that and never will be.

Not at all. What a bizarre thing to say.

Just checking that you understand about eggshells; that everyone has and anyone can stand on.

No worries. I think maybe we just have a different idea of Utopia.

 

[TCIB]

Not at all. What a bizarre thing to say.

Just checking that you understand about eggshells; that everyone has and anyone can stand on.

No worries. I think maybe we just have a different idea of Utopia.

Bender "bending" Rodriguez would have a cool utopia.

 

[mackenzie]

Not at all. What a bizarre thing to say.

Just checking that you understand about eggshells; that everyone has and anyone can stand on.

No worries. I think maybe we just have a different idea of Utopia.

That's fine ;-) and you are right

 

[goalmole]

You really believe this is about saying 'fuck you' to Muslims? Don't they also take the piss out of other religious figures? I'm still waiting for Jewish/Christian posters to come on here ranting about such offensive cartoons. I actually get the feeling you'd like your accusations to be true for some weird reason.

The biggest fuck you, you could ever give to Muslim. And the reason they did it? For no other reason than that they could and the Muslims could like it or lump it. As I remember it, there was no great crisis of free speech they were trying to address. Nobody was attacking free speech at the time. It was a straw man put up to inflame the Muslim community and to put the Muslim minority in it's place.

It's become clear with every passing day where you are coming from

If you say fuck you to a Muslim then it's right that you (or someone of your race, we don't really care, in fact it could be anyone passing, even a devout Muslim) will be murdered

You're not understanding what you're reading.
Never have I or anybody who has agreed with me actually said, alluded to, or meant this. In fact most of us, including myself, have gone out of our way to condemn the killings.
My argument has been more like this: As a multi ethnic, multi religious, multi cultural society, we shouldn't go out of our way to antagonise each other. If we do then the consequences are likely to be detrimental to a peaceful society.
I hold that to be quite a reasonable view.

 

[goalmole]

Fair dues to them after the last century or so then. All the ones fucking off to Israel from France this week might disagree with you though.

There were few communities who felt more secure and accepted than the German Jews prior to 1933. Even then, racial supremacists like Houston Stewart Chamberlain, were warning that Jews would corrupt the "noble" German character. This eerily reflects modern-day comments like "They're trying to force their beliefs on us", "They need to accept our values & culture" and "Multi-culturalism has been a failure."

Once the Nazis came to power, the main outlet for their anti-semitism was the newspaper Der Sturmer, which published crude, anti-semitic cartoons.

In 1938, a young Polish Jew walked into the German Embassy in Paris and shot dead Ernst vom Rath, a German diplomat, in protest at his parents being expelled from Germany. This was the catalyst for Kristallnacht, which was effectively the start of the Holocaust.

I'm sure that stirring up racial hatred on a huge scale wasn't in any way the intention of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists but actions sometimes have unintended consequences.

According to some on here you'd think it was a one-sided situation where poor muslims were always being victimised by nasty horrible non-muslims

Charlie Hebdo have hardly had exclusive rights on stirring up a hornets nest tbf

Many of us are seriously wound up by these people when they burn poppies on armistice day etc but no-one goes out and murders them and anyone else who happens to be around.

Respect is a two way street.

I agree, and I condemn these fuckwits as well