Shootings in Paris

[stony]

Dad?

As if you have any idea who your dad is.

Might do now

Fair point

 

[dennishasdoneit]

So when that copper is shot five times to the body( and then shifts his position so monumentally in two seconds with the apparent grace of a russian gymnast, not a dying man....before the 6th shot is administered to the head at almost point blank range....why is there no blood.at all?

hours later when the press report from the very spot, there is a mass of dried blood on the pavement,perhaps commensurate with a man having being shot 6 times ...

 

[Jackson-ctid]

So when that copper is shot five times to the body( and then shifts his position so monumentally in two seconds with the apparent grace of a russian gymnast, not a dying man....before the 6th shot is administered to the head at almost point blank range....why is there no blood.at all?

hours later when the press report from the very spot, there is a mass of dried blood on the pavement,perhaps commensurate with a man having being shot 6 times ...

Wow

 

[johnny on the spot]

So when that copper is shot five times to the body( and then shifts his position so monumentally in two seconds with the apparent grace of a russian gymnast, not a dying man....before the 6th shot is administered to the head at almost point blank range....why is there no blood.at all?

hours later when the press report from the very spot, there is a mass of dried blood on the pavement,perhaps commensurate with a man having being shot 6 times ...

 

[Damocles]

It's pretty obvious that those who perpetrated those crimes somehow felt separated from the society and the larger community in which they lived.
Until that is addressed we will get nowhere.

Great post and really the roots of everything.

Crime in all its forms, is not just a personal responsibility but also a social problem. Religion aside these terrorists feel extremely separated by their home society and are basing their cultural identity instead on their spirituality. We should want to know why rather than blaming the religion itself.

 

[SWP's back]

I don't have Muslims round for dinner as a rule bud.

Racist!

Look, I think we're all on the same page. None of us wants to let the agenda be set by the nutters of any persuasion. We all value freedom of expression, as long as that's within the law. But on the overall scale of things worth dying for to protect that freedom I don't think a cartoon was high on that scale. Journalists in many places risk their lives and liberty to expose corruption and wrongdoing yet this lot died because of a cartoon. Doesn't seem worth the right to mock someone to me.

Free speech is not what this debate has been about, right from the original Danish cartoons up to and including this thread. This is about asserting cultural superiority and hegemony. It is about us saying this our continent, and despite the fact that most of you were born here, speak our language, in the main think like us and dress like us, we don't want you to be part of us, and if you try to tell us that you are no different to us, then we will test you by mocking and disrespecting one of the things that you hold most dear to your hearts.
In other words,we don't like you very much and you can live under our cultural subjugation or you can fuck off.
If you still then decide you want to live here then you can but with the stigma of knowing that your fellow citizens do not extend the same respect to you as they do to each other. If I was a Muslim in these circumstances, I wouldn't be rushing out to embrace mainstream society, looking for a way out of this backward religion that I happen to have been born into. I would be introverting into my community where I would be meeting with more unconditional respect than I would find elsewhere.
I don't know what these cartoonist's were thinking, but they certainly weren't thinking of how they could improve integration, cohesiveness, peaceful co-existence and progress in our societies.
They have set back community cohesion on this continent by decades.

What total poppycock. Every fucking word.

 

[Damocles]

Racist!

Look, I think we're all on the same page. None of us wants to let the agenda be set by the nutters of any persuasion. We all value freedom of expression, as long as that's within the law. But on the overall scale of things worth dying for to protect that freedom I don't think a cartoon was high on that scale. Journalists in many places risk their lives and liberty to expose corruption and wrongdoing yet this lot died because of a cartoon. Doesn't seem worth the right to mock someone to me.

Free speech is not what this debate has been about, right from the original Danish cartoons up to and including this thread. This is about asserting cultural superiority and hegemony. It is about us saying this our continent, and despite the fact that most of you were born here, speak our language, in the main think like us and dress like us, we don't want you to be part of us, and if you try to tell us that you are no different to us, then we will test you by mocking and disrespecting one of the things that you hold most dear to your hearts.
In other words,we don't like you very much and you can live under our cultural subjugation or you can fuck off.
If you still then decide you want to live here then you can but with the stigma of knowing that your fellow citizens do not extend the same respect to you as they do to each other. If I was a Muslim in these circumstances, I wouldn't be rushing out to embrace mainstream society, looking for a way out of this backward religion that I happen to have been born into. I would be introverting into my community where I would be meeting with more unconditional respect than I would find elsewhere.
I don't know what these cartoonist's were thinking, but they certainly weren't thinking of how they could improve integration, cohesiveness, peaceful co-existence and progress in our societies.
They have set back community cohesion on this continent by decades.

What total poppycock. Every fucking word.

Whether you agree or not, at least he's contributing. I'm not sure you can claim the same.

 

[Chris in London]

It's pretty obvious that those who perpetrated those crimes somehow felt separated from the society and the larger community in which they lived.
Until that is addressed we will get nowhere.

Great post and really the roots of everything.

Crime in all its forms, is not just a personal responsibility but also a social problem. Religion aside these terrorists feel extremely separated by their home society and are basing their cultural identity instead on their spirituality. We should want to know why rather than blaming the religion itself.

It is a good post. The Blair Government undoubtedly made mistakes but one of its better hours was bringing a lasting peace to Northern Ireland. That was done not by a hardline stance but by a process of engagement. Concerns that the nationalist community held were addressed, at least in part, and - crucially - economic prosperity was brought to the region. Those with good jobs and incomes seemed a lot less keen to engage in paramilitary action following the good Friday agreement. Where you have disaffected youth who have dead end/no jobs then recruiting for the paramilitaries is much easier.

It is a model we might learn from when dealing with Muslim fundamentalism.

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

Mate, I am not an apoligist for Muslims. I have different views on different situations. I am well aware of the persecution of Christian and other minorities in Muslim countries. I totally, utterly, categorically and without reservation condemn these actions as I condemn the oppression of any minority, religious or otherwise anywhere in the world.

Mate in the same city ,134 kids were killed by the terrorist last month ,According to the New study that came out ,Terrorist killed 8 times more Muslims than they killed non - Muslims, May be its starts to think on these lines if the terrorist are at all muslims? Why would the ratio of muslims death be so high if both Muslims and terrorist represent the same ideology ? And if the answer is no,why gernalise the whole Muslim community, and may be just may be its also a time to think about war on terror,Their was not even a one single Taliban related terrorist or suicide attack in Pakistan before Afghanistan invasion ,and since then weve lost 70,000 people ,countless injured, no sports activity as no teams come ,cricket the most beloved sport taken away from the country ,and in Western media a lot is made of the aid which is given,Pakistan has lost 5 times more to economy than the aid we ever received, and all this was because we supported the war on terror and were told your with us or against us , This is just the price we have paid, Imagine the price afganis Iraqis ,libiya,Yemen and all these countries have paid and will continue to pay,may be its just the time to look at it from a different perspective

 

[Blue Maverick]

I see the british media are not publishing/showing/broadcasting the Charlie Hebdo edition today for fear of offending Muslims, I'm sorry but that's just bullshit, yet again this country is been ruled by fear. If they all agreed to do it then this would show they aren't afraid, if your offended don't watch or read that show/publication, the same applies to any made up cult worshipping a thing that doesn't exist. Religion I shit on it.