Sky Ref Watch - Dermot Gallagher

[blueparrot]

I have read a few of these and to me it just feels like they just try and kid us that they are being neutral but we can all see one team is being favoured week in week out.

Rice didnt have time to move his arm the defender heads it onto his arm from about a foot away. Not one player appealed for hand ball.

But thats the new rule. A bad rule but the rule. They wouldn't appeal because bizarrely it isn’t handball unless they score.

 

[johnevans]

The daft twat. The Boly incident was completely different. For starters the ball didn't accidentally brush against his arm he punched it into the net and on top of that he was offside.

Exactly.. The Boly incident was both DELIBERATE handball AND offside. Those of us who wanted VAR wanted it to correct these obvious infractions of the laws of the game that were being missed by officials. WE didn’t wish for a change in the law which has now given us the unfair situation in which an attacker’s arm touching the ball undeliberately prior to a goal being scored being penalised, whereas a defender’s arm touching the ball in the same situation isn’t penalised. It’s the change of law that is the problem. I hope Gallagher reads this thread, the stupid twunt might learn something.

 

[kaz7]

Now he is seemingly indirectly blaming us for the farcical interpretation and application of the new handball rule in the Premier League...

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Sheffield United 1 - 0 West Ham United

INCIDENT: In the final minutes of the game, Declan Rice set up Robert Snodgrass to score an equaliser for West Ham, However, VAR reviewed the goal and ruled it out for a handball against Rice, despite it being caused by a John Egan header from close range.

DERMOT'S VERDICT: Correct decision.

DERMOT SAYS: "Absolutely [decision is correct by the laws of the game]… It strikes his arm and unfortunately, it's been disallowed.

"Where we are at the moment is the law says does the player score with his hand? No. Does another player create the chance to score with his hand? Yes, and that's where we are. There is no wriggle room. It's black and white really.

"With the Willy Boly incident [handball against Manchester City last season], it was the one everyone said showed that we couldn't go on like we were and the law had to be changed. It was changed because of that and now everyone is saying it's not what they wanted - you have to be careful what you wish for.

"IFAB meet on February 29 and they would have seen all of these - it's not just in England, it happens all around the world. They may sit down and say they need to revisit this… They could say it needs to directly go in off the arm, I really don't know, but at the moment, it's a futile exercise debating it because they are so black and white."

Haha it couldn't be less black and white if it tried,the boly handball was very clear and obvious,they have twisted it so that it couldn't be further away from that,not to mention they are not following the governing bodies rules

Oh and the geordie one that was allowed,not having the correct angle was a bollocks excuse,it's whose arm itis and in what shirt they are going on

What a sell out,him and walton,thought they were football men

 

[BobbyBoy]

I have read a few of these and to me it just feels like they just try and kid us that they are being neutral but we can all see one team is being favoured week in week out.

Rice didnt have time to move his arm the defender heads it onto his arm from about a foot away. Not one player appealed for hand ball.

The law itself is actually required and should work well in principle. That West Ham goal is a perfect example, it's accidental and it may appear harsh but if didn't hit his hand it was heading out for a throw in. West Ham gained an advantage from use of the hand, no issue with that one being ruled out. Mane scored against Utd where he accidentally controlled the ball with an arm, he didn't mean it but he gained from it so again it's fair enough.

Gallagher is going on about the Boly goal but in reality it was the Llorente goal that has us where we are. Boly's wasn't seen and if was it would have been disallowed. Llorentes was seen, under the laws now that's not a goal, under the laws last season an accidental handball wasn't enough to rule out a goal.If both of those happened now the right outcome would be reached. The issue we have now is they go searching for miniscule touches off the arm like the Jesus goal against Spurs or the one Wolves scored at Leicester. If they leave the law as is but apply common sense then it would be fine.

 

[dickie davies]

The law itself is actually required and should work well in principle. That West Ham goal is a perfect example, it's accidental and it may appear harsh but if didn't hit his hand it was heading out for a throw in. West Ham gained an advantage from use of the hand, no issue with that one being ruled out. Mane scored against Utd where he accidentally controlled the ball with an arm, he didn't mean it but he gained from it so again it's fair enough.

Gallagher is going on about the Boly goal but in reality it was the Llorente goal that has us where we are. Boly's wasn't seen and if was it would have been disallowed. Llorentes was seen, under the laws now that's not a goal, under the laws last season an accidental handball wasn't enough to rule out a goal.If both of those happened now the right outcome would be reached. The issue we have now is they go searching for miniscule touches off the arm like the Jesus goal against Spurs or the one Wolves scored at Leicester. If they leave the law as is but apply common sense then it would be fine.

Not forgetting that Deli Ali controlled the ball with his arm, scored, and although clearly seen by VAR, the goal was allowed to stand

 

[BobbyBoy]

Not forgetting that Deli Ali controlled the ball with his arm, scored, and although clearly seen by VAR, the goal was allowed to stand

That was nothing to do with the law, they decided to have a few jager bombs before viewing that one and decided it didn't hit his arm.

 

[Whymewhynot]

That was nothing to do with the law, they decided to have a few jager bombs before viewing that one and decided it didn't hit his arm.

The law is the problem, a huge problem.

 

[blueparrot]

The law itself is actually required and should work well in principle. That West Ham goal is a perfect example, it's accidental and it may appear harsh but if didn't hit his hand it was heading out for a throw in. West Ham gained an advantage from use of the hand, no issue with that one being ruled out. Mane scored against Utd where he accidentally controlled the ball with an arm, he didn't mean it but he gained from it so again it's fair enough.

Gallagher is going on about the Boly goal but in reality it was the Llorente goal that has us where we are. Boly's wasn't seen and if was it would have been disallowed. Llorentes was seen, under the laws now that's not a goal, under the laws last season an accidental handball wasn't enough to rule out a goal.If both of those happened now the right outcome would be reached. The issue we have now is they go searching for miniscule touches off the arm like the Jesus goal against Spurs or the one Wolves scored at Leicester. If they leave the law as is but apply common sense then it would be fine.

I can see the point in disallowing the goal if it hits scorer on the arm and goes in. But for an accidental handball in the build up, like Laporte then it should be treated like any accidental handball in general play and disregarded.If there is the same accidental contact as there was by Laporte by a defender then a penalty wouldn't be given.

 

[BobbyBoy]

I can see the point in disallowing the goal if it hits scorer on the arm and goes in. But for an accidental handball in the build up, like Laporte then it should be treated like any accidental handball in general play and disregarded.If there is the same accidental contact as there was by Laporte by a defender then a penalty wouldn't be given.

I agree to a point and have said that common sense means you don't get the microscope out searching for reasons to disallow a goal. I just thought it was embarrassing listening to sky go about the law after West Ham's goal when the law was introduced to stop exactly that.

 

[BobbyBoy]

The law is the problem, a huge problem.

What do you suggest they do? A simple law saying any use of the hand that leads to a goal scoring opportunity should be penalised is all they can do or else you're back in deliberate/accidental territory which allows refs to pick and choose who to screw.