Smart motorway

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Why does it take longer to run a concrete barrier down the central res and put some signs up than it does to build an entire brand new stretch of motorway? Ever get the feeling some people are happy taking their time with this BS?
 
Congestion charge on its way
Yep. And to be fair seeing that the next 10 years will see petrol tax revenue fall by up to 50% due to the emergence of solid state batteries and health issues caused by diesel cars leading to electric vehicles taking over. It's probably a sensible thing to do....... However surely we should be told the truth and surely it still shouldnt take this long to complete. It's laughably poor management of the project!
 
Because the motorway is still open therefore traffic management is required. The solution would be to close the motorway until job done and it would be completed a lot quicker. Mind you this thread would be over a thousand pages if that was to happen.
 
The Airpot relief road from Handforth to Styal Rd junction,now into its 3rd year,through fields and a golf course.When first stated it was “Opening Autumn 2017”,and No Way near completion,it’s a joke,Who ever is in charge of the Tax Payers Money into this project needs a rocket up his/her arse.Same with the Kingsway bypass,road widening,another joke,lanes blocked off for weeks and no sign of progress anywhere.Construction companies who seriously over-run contract times should be heavily fined and Directors of such companies fined and should be made to pay compensation to share holders for loses made on contracts.
 
Trouble with all these large infrastructure projects be them physical or online is... The government usually want rolls Royce projects for Toyata Yaris prices. The NHS and Tax Credit computer systems being a prime example. The HS2 will go over budget as will the pointless nuclear power stations. This motorway upgrade wouldn't happen like this in Germany because they tax the nation properly, invest properly, project manage properly and build properly. We are happless amateurs who never plan ahead!
 
Smart Motorway - installed for your safety and convenience , so the signs say. However crossing from Leeds to the west in rush hour its seems no better than it was when the fucking motorway was under construction. The other day I was near the Bradford exit on a clear day about 11am - I counted 25 other cars on both carriageways within eyesight - that was all - and a 50mph "congestion" sign was illuminated. Just there to catch out the unwary. Do the M42 round Brum - there are gantries - 60-60-60 then for no reason a 50 then back up to 60. Again to catch people out and raise revenue.

Previous poster got it nail on head - EV's mean lower taxes - how handy will it be to have over head gantries all wired up and ready to go when they need to start charging for road use? These are the road travelled through to get to the destination we have yet to arrive at but which the Govt has an idea of what it looks like.
 
Trouble with all these large infrastructure projects be them physical or online is... The government usually want rolls Royce projects for Toyata Yaris prices. The NHS and Tax Credit computer systems being a prime example. The HS2 will go over budget as will the pointless nuclear power stations. This motorway upgrade wouldn't happen like this in Germany because they tax the nation properly, invest properly, project manage properly and build properly. We are happless amateurs who never plan ahead!

yes we do - its just our plans are in 4 or 5 year cycles. If it can't be done before the next election its not likely to be green lit.
 
Smart Motorway - installed for your safety and convenience , so the signs say. However crossing from Leeds to the west in rush hour its seems no better than it was when the fucking motorway was under construction. The other day I was near the Bradford exit on a clear day about 11am - I counted 25 other cars on both carriageways within eyesight - that was all - and a 50mph "congestion" sign was illuminated. Just there to catch out the unwary. Do the M42 round Brum - there are gantries - 60-60-60 then for no reason a 50 then back up to 60. Again to catch people out and raise revenue.

Previous poster got it nail on head - EV's mean lower taxes - how handy will it be to have over head gantries all wired up and ready to go when they need to start charging for road use? These are the road travelled through to get to the destination we have yet to arrive at but which the Govt has an idea of what it looks like.
Going through Brum last week and it went 60 60 60 40 60. No warning and bang
 
Yep. And to be fair seeing that the next 10 years will see petrol tax revenue fall by up to 50% due to the emergence of solid state batteries and health issues caused by diesel cars leading to electric vehicles taking over. It's probably a sensible thing to do....... However surely we should be told the truth and surely it still shouldnt take this long to complete. It's laughably poor management of the project!

There'll be a tax on batteries before they ever get anywhere near a car!
 
Trouble with all these large infrastructure projects be them physical or online is... The government usually want rolls Royce projects for Toyata Yaris prices. The NHS and Tax Credit computer systems being a prime example. The HS2 will go over budget as will the pointless nuclear power stations. This motorway upgrade wouldn't happen like this in Germany because they tax the nation properly, invest properly, project manage properly and build properly. We are happless amateurs who never plan ahead!

The people who have their fingers in the pies are highly professional! They maximise their income flow out of the operation instead of looking upon the whole venture as a public service. Just look at the 'public works' over the last twenty years. Projects start off at £Xm and by the time it's finished there's another zero on the bill, or two zeroes. How much is the final bill for putting right Big Ben's tower? I'm sure I've heard £4b bandied about. Wouldn't be surprised if that's £40b by the time it's finished - five years late!
 
Trouble with all these large infrastructure projects be them physical or online is... The government usually want rolls Royce projects for Toyata Yaris prices. The NHS and Tax Credit computer systems being a prime example. The HS2 will go over budget as will the pointless nuclear power stations. This motorway upgrade wouldn't happen like this in Germany because they tax the nation properly, invest properly, project manage properly and build properly. We are happless amateurs who never plan ahead!

I'd check out the abject disaster that is Berlin's new airport before thinking Germany is that great at infrastructure. If that happened here there'd be a revolution.
 
When they are in place and running smart motorways do work, one of the main things they are designed to stop the "Traffic wave" effect, you know where you see a traffic jam for no reason? odds are its a traffic wave, where one person taps there breaks, 2/3 behind them do the same, 2/3 behind them do the same, then in 20 mins time 5 miles back you end up with stopped traffic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_wave
 
If they are so smart, why do they always have a 50 limit on when there is no traffic?
 
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Reminds me of this great response a few years back, in response to the 'My Daddy Works Here' campaign to get driver to drive slow through roadworks. Fair play though, working on the motorways can't be easy especially with the UK's weather.

As to whether smart motorways are the answer, I have my doubts, unless the question is how can we boost revenues. A few times I've been driving on them at night, barely a car on the road, but the signs are saying 60. They say its because they have viability over incidents ahead and are slowing things down, but all it takes is changing those speed limit signs a few times and the cameras are already connected and ready to go, apparently you get 2 mins from when a sign changes to camera enforcing the new limit. Just in time for the Crimbo police party too.

I admit the ones I use are more informative than the old sign in the middle of the carriage which usually turns out to be misleading anyway (incident ahead... 50... drive through it with no evidence of anything), but my journey times are longer and even my employers are getting frustrated now by this, and they always proclaim safety first but it means productivity suffers, perhaps needlessly. A four hour journey takes me 6, then when I get back I'm not about to fire up the laptop at my family's expense. But that is thanks to a mix of traffic incidents predictably regularly, higher volume of traffic, truck drivers playing snail racing and flexible speed limits which keep you guessing on journey times.

Plus, when the head of the RAC is fighting against smart motorways on the basis that he doesn't want to have to deal with another of his workers who was on the phone to a broken down driver in the hard shoulder that had become a 4th lane temporarily, when the line went dead, then you have to question it on a different scale.
 
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Reminds me of this great response a few years back, in response to the 'My Daddy Works Here' campaign to get driver to drive slow through roadworks. Fair play though, working on the motorways can't be easy especially with the UK's weather.

As to whether smart motorways are the answer, I have my doubts, unless the question is how can we boost revenues. A few times I've been driving on them at night, barely a car on the road, but the signs are saying 60. They say its because they have viability over incidents ahead and are slowing things down, but all it takes is changing those speed limit signs a few times and the cameras are already connected and ready to go, apparently you get 2 mins from when a sign changes to camera enforcing the new limit. Just in time for the Crimbo police party too.

I admit the ones I use are more informative than the old sign in the middle of the carriage which usually turns out to be misleading anyway (incident ahead... 50... drive through it with no evidence of anything), but my journey times are longer and even my employers are getting frustrated now by this, and they always proclaim safety first but it means productivity suffers, perhaps needlessly. A four hour journey takes me 6, then when I get back I'm not about to fire up the laptop at my family's expense. But that is thanks to a mix of traffic incidents predictably regularly, higher volume of traffic, truck drivers playing snail racing and flexible speed limits which keep you guessing on journey times.

Plus, when the head of the RAC is fighting against smart motorways on the basis that he doesn't want to have to deal with another of his workers who was on the phone to a broken down driver in the hard shoulder that had become a 4th lane temporarily, when the line went dead, then you have to question it on a different scale.
The now relatively common practise of using the hard shoulder as an extra lane is an absolute disgrace.
 

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