so this agenda thing.

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's warming up nicely on this thread, just as I anticipated.

unlike our players apparently
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/cska-moscow-vs-manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-admits-his-team-froze-as-they-blow-hot-then-cold-in-russia-9809497.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 09497.html</a>

Ian Herbert: the voice of reason.

 

[George Hannah]

It's warming up nicely on this thread, just as I anticipated.

unlike our players apparently
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/cska-moscow-vs-manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-admits-his-team-froze-as-they-blow-hot-then-cold-in-russia-9809497.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 09497.html</a>

Ian Herbert: the voice of reason.

and dedicated Wrexham supporter

 

[oakiecokie]

City have made an official appeal to Uefa, the European game’s governing body, over the presence of around 300 raucous CSKA Moscow supporters at a game in which they were supposed to have been denied entry, as punishment for racist conduct in previous games.

Uefa observers videoed the supporters and their investigation will centre on the distribution of the 300 tickets made available to their own partner organisations. Of the 650 tickets circulated, each club received 75, the ball boys and their families took 50 of them, the media were allocated 150 and another 300 were circulated to Uefa partners and sponsors.

 

[bluechampion7891]

Keep seeing this tonight, well we would have been 'out of sight' if the corrupt c**t had given the penalty in the first half, he fucking didn't and that's why theirs mattered, simple really.

The agenda again in all it's glory tonight. Stonewall penalty for us denied, that would have put the game to bed. Blatant dive rewarded with a penalty with 4 minutes to go to deny us the three points. Just how many more times allied to the draw before some fans wake up and smell the coffee?

In fact had Silva got the penalty against Bayern and the cone tonight to put us three clear we would have been sitting on 8 points. Absolutely disgraceful.

It's hard enough beating the best in Europe with 11 players v 11 players but when you're also fighting against the referee, well, it's no wonder we are where we are.

If we accept this as hopeless incompetence by an official, then where are other examples from these officials in other CL games. We are on the shitty end of chalk and cheese decisions every CL night!

Three games this season: Silva pen v Bayern, Maicon not sent off, and the fiasco tonight. We can't keep putting this down to coincidence.

not one for the agenda stuff too, but I can elaborate on that bit easily as far back as the Barca games:

1) Barca Home: Barca awarded free kicks just b/c we were physically strong. Their petty challenges weren't called. Foul on Navas lead to their goal.
2) Barca Away: Stone wall penalty on Dzeko
3) Bayern Away: clear penalty on Silva, IIRC Dzeko's could have been one too (tbf Munich also could have had one, but that was the least likeliest of them all)
4) Roma Home: it took Ashley Cole about 5-6 fouls, about half of which warranted a yellow, to be warned, not carded. Zabaleta I think was carded on his second foul. Penalty only called b/c assistant flagged it and even then it was a yellow, whereas Aguero was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity (Maicon should have been off). Blatant hand ball that should have been another penalty (Bayern got it today)
5) CSKA: penalty and red card for the foul on Dzeko (tap in, last man pulled back). I can't understand how in the hell 3 officials were blinded. That statue behind the goal, he is directly looking at it. Wrongly awarded penalty which for any other player would have been a yellow for blatant cheating. Remember Bayern only got 3 points off CSKA b/c of a penalty

All these add up. This is in our last 5 consecutive games in the CL. OK, the players were not up to task, we may have been tactically exposed, but look at these accumulated figures and try to tell me it wouldn't have effected the result. And it gets on the players minds too. On the basis of these decision alone we should have had 7 points at the least this CL campaign. And unlike in the league where we get some decisions in our favor and it evens out over the season (even if its like 40-60 to our disadvantage), these past 5 games have been like 90-10 against us.

 

[LoveCity]

They didn't even appeal. The referee raced to give it. So dodgy.

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[George Hannah]

They didn't even appeal. The referee raced to give it. So dodgy.

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[IH8MUFC]

The agenda again in all it's glory tonight. Stonewall penalty for us denied, that would have put the game to bed. Blatant dive rewarded with a penalty with 4 minutes to go to deny us the three points. Just how many more times allied to the draw before some fans wake up and smell the coffee?

In fact had Silva got the penalty against Bayern and the cone tonight to put us three clear we would have been sitting on 8 points. Absolutely disgraceful.

It's hard enough beating the best in Europe with 11 players v 11 players but when you're also fighting against the referee, well, it's no wonder we are where we are.

If we accept this as hopeless incompetence by an official, then where are other examples from these officials in other CL games. We are on the shitty end of chalk and cheese decisions every CL night!

Three games this season: Silva pen v Bayern, Maicon not sent off, and the fiasco tonight. We can't keep putting this down to coincidence.

not one for the agenda stuff too, but I can elaborate on that bit easily as far back as the Barca games:

1) Barca Home: Barca awarded free kicks just b/c we were physically strong. Their petty challenges weren't called. Foul on Navas lead to their goal.
2) Barca Away: Stone wall penalty on Dzeko
3) Bayern Away: clear penalty on Silva, IIRC Dzeko's could have been one too (tbf Munich also could have had one, but that was the least likeliest of them all)
4) Roma Home: it took Ashley Cole about 5-6 fouls, about half of which warranted a yellow, to be warned, not carded. Zabaleta I think was carded on his second foul. Penalty only called b/c assistant flagged it and even then it was a yellow, whereas Aguero was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity (Maicon should have been off). Blatant hand ball that should have been another penalty (Bayern got it today)
5) CSKA: penalty and red card for the foul on Dzeko (tap in, last man pulled back). I can't understand how in the hell 3 officials were blinded. That statue behind the goal, he is directly looking at it. Wrongly awarded penalty which for any other player would have been a yellow for blatant cheating. Remember Bayern only got 3 points off CSKA b/c of a penalty

All these add up. This is in our last 5 consecutive games in the CL. OK, the players were not up to task, we may have been tactically exposed, but look at these accumulated figures and try to tell me it wouldn't have effected the result. And it gets on the players minds too. On the basis of these decision alone we should have had 7 points at the least this CL campaign. And unlike in the league where we get some decisions in our favor and it evens out over the season (even if its like 40-60 to our disadvantage), these past 5 games have been like 90-10 against us.

I don't remember what exactly but I remember that barca should have had a pen in the 2nd leg and an offside goal, that was onside etc. We also got a dodgy last minute penalty against Dortmund I think it was.

 

[bluechampion7891]

If we accept this as hopeless incompetence by an official, then where are other examples from these officials in other CL games. We are on the shitty end of chalk and cheese decisions every CL night!

Three games this season: Silva pen v Bayern, Maicon not sent off, and the fiasco tonight. We can't keep putting this down to coincidence.

not one for the agenda stuff too, but I can elaborate on that bit easily as far back as the Barca games:

1) Barca Home: Barca awarded free kicks just b/c we were physically strong. Their petty challenges weren't called. Foul on Navas lead to their goal.
2) Barca Away: Stone wall penalty on Dzeko
3) Bayern Away: clear penalty on Silva, IIRC Dzeko's could have been one too (tbf Munich also could have had one, but that was the least likeliest of them all)
4) Roma Home: it took Ashley Cole about 5-6 fouls, about half of which warranted a yellow, to be warned, not carded. Zabaleta I think was carded on his second foul. Penalty only called b/c assistant flagged it and even then it was a yellow, whereas Aguero was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity (Maicon should have been off). Blatant hand ball that should have been another penalty (Bayern got it today)
5) CSKA: penalty and red card for the foul on Dzeko (tap in, last man pulled back). I can't understand how in the hell 3 officials were blinded. That statue behind the goal, he is directly looking at it. Wrongly awarded penalty which for any other player would have been a yellow for blatant cheating. Remember Bayern only got 3 points off CSKA b/c of a penalty

All these add up. This is in our last 5 consecutive games in the CL. OK, the players were not up to task, we may have been tactically exposed, but look at these accumulated figures and try to tell me it wouldn't have effected the result. And it gets on the players minds too. On the basis of these decision alone we should have had 7 points at the least this CL campaign. And unlike in the league where we get some decisions in our favor and it evens out over the season (even if its like 40-60 to our disadvantage), these past 5 games have been like 90-10 against us.

I don't remember what exactly but I remember that barca should have had a pen in the 2nd leg and an offside goal, that was onside etc. We also got a dodgy last minute penalty against Dortmund I think it was.

that is true. But looking at the overall figures, they are overwhelmingly against us. If it was 2 in 3 decisions against it might not be that heavily scrutinized, but its like we only get 1/10. As i said, I am not one for the agenda stuff but the figures add up.

looking at the PL for eg., we have had games where a fair share of decisions went to us (the sterling goal at home, disallowed goals to Newcastle and spurs away last season, southmapton home offside goal) that balance the decisions we have had against us (a long list - out of the top of my head: the goals at arsenal (and small decisions going their way), the non penalty v chelsea this season, liverpool away last season, sunderland away I remember two footed challenge on Garcia didnt even get a yellow where a red was warranted and we also conceded through a foul in the build up). Overall I would say we get 2 in 5 in our favor, which doesn't even up over the season but the quality of our squad allows us to overcome this in a 38 game season. My point is that it isnt as blatant in the PL as it is in the CL

 

[Don Karleone]

They didn't even appeal. The referee raced to give it. So dodgy.

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Dunno why we bother with the CL.

We're never going to get a fair crack at it.

 

[Shirley]

Taken from the BBC website


Man United's team of youngsters

A little stat for you. Manchester United had the second youngest line-up out of all the teams in Europe's big five leagues during the last matchday.
According to research by the CIES Football Observatory, Louis van Gaal's team had an average age of 24.6 years. Only Valencia in La Liga had a younger side at 24.4 years.
At the opposite end of the table, Manchester City fielded the third oldest line-up at 29.3 years. Verona had the oldest side in Europe, with an average age of 31.