so this agenda thing.

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

I see Verminous Vickery and indeed the hack pack in general are silent about the omission of Paulinho from the Brazil squad
if Fern had been one of the 13 casualities I'll wager it would have been breaking news on SSN.

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.


"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

remember this?

[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/vHULiCl.png[/bigimg]

What does this prove about an Agenda? The EC is a political body at the end of the day and I can't see how FFPR conflict with the prevailing politics of the commission. Yes they like to encourage free trade and movement but they also like to restrict state aid, as mentioned in the letter and encourage a neo-liberal economic policy, but these issues are always balanced up. A ban on state aid isn't to be applied literally, when state bailouts of financial institutions are encouraged, but more to curtail frivolous spending on vanity projects or Spanish football teams. FFPR still has the original idea of a method to curtail spending and debt attached to it, and that idea had merit, however obviously it has been bastardized into a protectionist regime by Michel Platini. Either the EC has swallowed the guff, or they don't care. I don't imagine they want the bother of ruling on football matters so have come to a practical conclusion.

The trouble is though George you will always have a hard time proving an agenda if it isn't properly defined, and even when it is defined I don't expect you to stick to that definition when you post pics of teletext, BBC Football live stream comment or the contents of a panini sticker pack that only contains one city player- and it is James Milner ;) It is like when you talk about Religion and you can disprove the garden of eden, talking snake bollocks but some beardy paedo will still retreat to it when he wants a parable to tell the kids to just do as their told. Or Creationists that get all scientific and try to explain the beginning of the world as only Kent Hovind could try and fail, or faking human footprints alongside dinosaur bones.

Religions and conspiracy cults aren't that dissimilar it seems...

 

[tonea2003]

Barça were caught red handed by FIFA and, consequently, they are fined and banned.

MCFC disrupted the cozy cartel set up by UEFA and, consequently, an agenda (under the FFP name) was put in place but said cartel to stop City.

correct. plain as day.

as much as you say it, you can not point to anything that says the reason for FFP is manchester city
i'll hold my hands up if you can.

and in any case what has that got to with the daily star and their ilk not printing stories about us and plenty on the rags?
which is being linked together in this agenda specifically against us

 

[cibaman]

Is this thread still going?

Wow. There are folks who believe there ISN'T an anti CITY agenda?
I guess they must also believe in Creationism AND Father Christmas AND The Tooth Fairy AND Ghosts AND UFO's AND that Elvis is still alive selling Chip Barms in Reddish.

Honestly there is more evidence that the above exist than there isn't an Anti City agenda.

They must love the Python's "Argument Sketch" as they seem to practice it every day on here.

Is there a threshold that you have to reach to become an Agendaist?

I believe that FFP was introduced by the G14 as a deliberate attempt to curb City's spending

I believe that the media pay more attention to United than City

I believe that Martin Tyler's commentary in the Liverpool v City match was biased

Am I an Agendaist?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Is this thread still going?

Wow. There are folks who believe there ISN'T an anti CITY agenda?
I guess they must also believe in Creationism AND Father Christmas AND The Tooth Fairy AND Ghosts AND UFO's AND that Elvis is still alive selling Chip Barms in Reddish.

Honestly there is more evidence that the above exist than there isn't an Anti City agenda.

They must love the Python's "Argument Sketch" as they seem to practice it every day on here.

Is there a threshold that you have to reach to become an Agendaist?

I believe that FFP was introduced by the G14 as a deliberate attempt to curb City's spending

I believe that the media pay more attention to United than City

I believe that Martin Tyler's commentary in the Liverpool v City match was biased

Am I an Agendaist?

I'm not sure, but I'd say you were definitely one of the more balanced posters on this subject.

 

[tonea2003]

I see Verminous Vickery and indeed the hack pack in general are silent about the omission of Paulinho from the Brazil squad
if Fern had been one of the 13 casualities I'll wager it would have been breaking news on SSN.

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.


"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

remember this?

[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/vHULiCl.png[/bigimg]

What does this prove about an Agenda? The EC is a political body at the end of the day and I can't see how FFPR conflict with the prevailing politics of the commission. Yes they like to encourage free trade and movement but they also like to restrict state aid, as mentioned in the letter and encourage a neo-liberal economic policy, but these issues are always balanced up. A ban on state aid isn't to be applied literally, when state bailouts of financial institutions are encouraged, but more to curtail frivolous spending on vanity projects or Spanish football teams. FFPR still has the original idea of a method to curtail spending and debt attached to it, and that idea had merit, however obviously it has been bastardized into a protectionist regime by Michel Platini. Either the EC has swallowed the guff, or they don't care. I don't imagine they want the bother of ruling on football matters so have come to a practical conclusion.

The trouble is though George you will always have a hard time proving an agenda if it isn't properly defined, and even when it is defined I don't expect you to stick to that definition when you post pics of teletext, BBC Football live stream comment or the contents of a panini sticker pack that only contains one city player- and it is James Milner ;) It is like when you talk about Religion and you can disprove the garden of eden, talking snake bollocks but some beardy paedo will still retreat to it when he wants a parable to tell the kids to just do as their told. Or Creationists that get all scientific and try to explain the beginning of the world as only Kent Hovind could try and fail, or faking human footprints alongside dinosaur bones.

Religions and conspiracy cults aren't that dissimilar it seems...

oh how he would like to reply to this but the re-invention wont allow

 

[George Hannah]

I see Verminous Vickery and indeed the hack pack in general are silent about the omission of Paulinho from the Brazil squad
if Fern had been one of the 13 casualities I'll wager it would have been breaking news on SSN.

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

Paraphrasing Heidegger is also brave but confusing Swansea with Chelsea is distinctly odd.
The agenda of the forces ranged against us is a combination of sins of commision and sins of omission .Verminous Vickery would never overlook an opportunity to please his employers by attacking us. He is a complete fraud - a theatrical failure turned Spud propagandist. You're right about my wanting an end to lies, smears and negative reporting about City. The trough is brimming but the chosen elite want it all for themselves. Exercise your critical faculties my blue friend and emerge from the cloud of unknowing.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Barça were caught red handed by FIFA and, consequently, they are fined and banned.

MCFC disrupted the cozy cartel set up by UEFA and, consequently, an agenda (under the FFP name) was put in place but said cartel to stop City.

correct. plain as day.

as much as you say it, you can not point to anything that says the reason for FFP is manchester city
i'll hold my hands up if you can.

and in any case what has that got to with the daily star and their ilk not printing stories about us and plenty on the rags?
which is being linked together in this agenda specifically against us

I'm bored to death with this limping dog of a thread, but if you honestly believe that the amended version of FFP wasn't designed with the express intention of stopping City (or anyone else) challenging the cartel and threatening their money winning potential, then you can't be helped

 

[George Hannah]

I'm bored to death with this limping dog of a thread, but if you honestly believe that the amended version of FFP wasn't designed with the express intention of stopping City (or anyone else) challenging the cartel and threatening their money winning potential, then you can't be helped

I am bored to death with posters jumping in while I am still editing my posts!!

 

[manimanc]

so could anybody tell me why martin tyler sounds like he`s commentating on a funeral when we score and sounds like he`s necked about twenty E`s when commentating on utd,liverpool and arsenal?
has he been to act like that?
does he do it off his own back?
the Liverpool match was a classic example,lots riding on it,both going for the title,we claw our way back from two goals down yet he sounded like a stroppy teenager when silva scored....then cue hysteria when they got the third.
I`m sorry but I won`t lie down or wind it in or chill the fuck out as some posters have suggested that I do,i`ve supported city for over 35 years,seen us been treated with sneers and patronised from pillar to post,"aw look a city laughing at their own demise bless em",.....
And now we`ve arrived and disrupted the original top 4 and the media,and the press,and the tv companies fuckin hate it.....
it`s really that simple!!

 

[tonea2003]

correct. plain as day.

as much as you say it, you can not point to anything that says the reason for FFP is manchester city
i'll hold my hands up if you can.

and in any case what has that got to with the daily star and their ilk not printing stories about us and plenty on the rags?
which is being linked together in this agenda specifically against us

I'm bored to death with this limping dog of a thread, but if you honestly believe that the amended version of FFP wasn't designed with the express intention of stopping City (or anyone else) challenging the cartel and threatening their money winning potential, then you can't be helped

vice versa

 

[George Hannah]

remember this?

[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/vHULiCl.png[/bigimg]

What does this prove about an Agenda? The EC is a political body at the end of the day and I can't see how FFPR conflict with the prevailing politics of the commission. Yes they like to encourage free trade and movement but they also like to restrict state aid, as mentioned in the letter and encourage a neo-liberal economic policy, but these issues are always balanced up. A ban on state aid isn't to be applied literally, when state bailouts of financial institutions are encouraged, but more to curtail frivolous spending on vanity projects or Spanish football teams. FFPR still has the original idea of a method to curtail spending and debt attached to it, and that idea had merit, however obviously it has been bastardized into a protectionist regime by Michel Platini. Either the EC has swallowed the guff, or they don't care. I don't imagine they want the bother of ruling on football matters so have come to a practical conclusion.
The trouble is though George you will always have a hard time proving an agenda if it isn't properly defined, and even when it is defined I don't expect you to stick to that definition when you post pics of teletext, BBC Football live stream comment or the contents of a panini sticker pack that only contains one city player- and it is James Milner ;) It is like when you talk about Religion and you can disprove the garden of eden, talking snake bollocks but some beardy paedo will still retreat to it when he wants a parable to tell the kids to just do as their told. Or Creationists that get all scientific and try to explain the beginning of the world as only Kent Hovind could try and fail, or faking human footprints alongside dinosaur bones.
Religions and conspiracy cults aren't that dissimilar it seems...

Undoubtedly true, just like the existence of the various agendas. To understand them just follow the money. It's not complicated but the path winds from to Munich to Nyon and then around all the distinguished media allies of the afflicted. Evidence abounds and is added to hourly.
I do worry about your view of mythology though. Its use by the rocket-footed or the throwback denizens of the Bible belt is also similar and I recommend this lady on the subject both sacred or secular.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSFEr2zV5Oo#t=1448[/video]

 

[Len Rum]

Is this thread still going?

Wow. There are folks who believe there ISN'T an anti CITY agenda?
I guess they must also believe in Creationism AND Father Christmas AND The Tooth Fairy AND Ghosts AND UFO's AND that Elvis is still alive selling Chip Barms in Reddish.

Honestly there is more evidence that the above exist than there isn't an Anti City agenda.

They must love the Python's "Argument Sketch" as they seem to practice it every day on here.

Is there a threshold that you have to reach to become an Agendaist?

I believe that FFP was introduced by the G14 as a deliberate attempt to curb City's spending

I believe that the media pay more attention to United than City

I believe that Martin Tyler's commentary in the Liverpool v City match was biased

Am I an Agendaist?

You would have to define agenda in general and then specifically in relation to City (it could be pro or anti City).
You would have to provide evidence in support of said agenda.
You would then be an Agendaist.
Your Agendaism could then be challenged against your definition and evidence.

Optionally you then might want to define the extent of the agenda (and possibly include 'materiality' criteria). For example you might be able to prove that Sid and Doris Bonkers of Neasden had an anti City agenda, but would that be deemed material or important enough to warrant a debate?

So you need to take those examples you gave in your post and go through the process above.

 

[SilverFox2]

Thanks George H. for posting the EU letter to 'Cher Michel', not seen it before but it reminds me that they are likely bedfellows at that level.

This old headline may be of interest:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487670/Auditors-refuse-EU-accounts-clean-health-19th-year-row.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... r-row.html</a>

I wonder what Cher Michel would have done if MCFC had had the same difficulty that the EU have consistently had for 19 years ?

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

I see Verminous Vickery and indeed the hack pack in general are silent about the omission of Paulinho from the Brazil squad
if Fern had been one of the 13 casualities I'll wager it would have been breaking news on SSN.

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

Paraphrasing Heidegger is also brave but confusing Swansea with Chelsea is distinctly odd.
The agenda of the forces ranged against us is a combination of sins of commision and sins of omission .Verminous Vickery would never overlook an opportunity to please his employers by attacking us. He is a complete fraud - a theatrical failure turned Spud propagandist. You're right about my wanting an end to lies, smears and negative reporting about City. The trough is brimming but the chosen elite want it all for themselves. Exercise your critical faculties my blue friend and emerge from the cloud of unknowing.

Most impressed someone on here is familiar with Heidegger, George. Not surprised it's you.

 

[tonea2003]

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

Paraphrasing Heidegger is also brave but confusing Swansea with Chelsea is distinctly odd.
The agenda of the forces ranged against us is a combination of sins of commision and sins of omission .Verminous Vickery would never overlook an opportunity to please his employers by attacking us. He is a complete fraud - a theatrical failure turned Spud propagandist. You're right about my wanting an end to lies, smears and negative reporting about City. The trough is brimming but the chosen elite want it all for themselves. Exercise your critical faculties my blue friend and emerge from the cloud of unknowing.

Most impressed someone on here is familiar with Heidegger, George. Not surprised it's you.

i'm certainly not, but the paraphrase bravely used also happened to be apt in this instance.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

The MANUre title win in 2013 fits like a hand in a glove!!

MANUre's purchase of Rojo gets a mighty splash in the DT today, whereas Edin Dzeko gets a couple of column inches shoved at the back of the footy pages.

 

[tonea2003]

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

The MANUre title win in 2013 fits like a hand in a glove!!

MANUre's purchase of Rojo gets a mighty splash in the DT today, whereas Edin Dzeko gets a couple of column inches shoved at the back of the footy pages.

this is what is called having it both ways
last week it was back page news when silva and vinnie and sergio signed new contracts and it was big bad city spending more big bucks
and today for the same for edin's contract hardly a mention

and we complain for each

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

I see Verminous Vickery and indeed the hack pack in general are silent about the omission of Paulinho from the Brazil squad
if Fern had been one of the 13 casualities I'll wager it would have been breaking news on SSN.

Oh that's brave, making a wager on an event that will never happen. You are an odd bloke George, when others get media attention you cry foul play, when they don't, you cry foul play! It's sort of like you consider Manchester City to be like Stalin or Jesus/Yahweh/Jehovah where only positive reporting or discussion is allowed. You are aware that Vickery's article this week is on Jefferson Montero signing for Chelsea, he also has done a 4-6 page spread in World Soccer Magazine, I would imagine he has contracts with all the big outlets he works with, which encourage exclusive and original content. He hasn't talked about Paulinho because he hasn't been talking about Brazil, and sometimes a story on Sky doesn't centre around the omission of a sole player, who had a rather uneventful world cup.

"The only genuine philosophical question is why you have made something out of nothing."

Paraphrasing Heidegger is also brave but confusing Swansea with Chelsea is distinctly odd.
The agenda of the forces ranged against us is a combination of sins of commision and sins of omission .Verminous Vickery would never overlook an opportunity to please his employers by attacking us. He is a complete fraud - a theatrical failure turned Spud propagandist. You're right about my wanting an end to lies, smears and negative reporting about City. The trough is brimming but the chosen elite want it all for themselves. Exercise your critical faculties my blue friend and emerge from the cloud of unknowing.

Not really it was the early hours of the morning when I posted that and they are linguistically similar that I might whilst half awake confuse the two before going to bed. I also had Mourinho instead of Paulinho, and edited it out but didn't see the error and unlike this post I am replying to, it hasn't been edited multiple times.

Now you are just getting weird with the Vickery stuff, a theatrical failure but the go-to-guy for South American football reporting and fingers in many pies: BBC Website and world service radio,World Soccer Magazine, Sambafoot, etc. The reality is that the man admits himself that he is a bit out of touch with European football, I don't think you can know each and every detail of everything going on in football and still have a life. So it stands to reason that the area of knowledge on which his continued employment is least reliant, is the one that is neglected. Spurs Propagandist- I don't think he hides the fact that he supports Spurs, but he doesn't bring them up like an overused anecdote. He isn't a mouth piece like the Neville half-ling or the scouse mafia that retreat to that safe area of "I grew up at a club...that invented football". Most times I can't recall him talking at all about Spurs in his articles, and is objective is one of the first words that come to mind when you read his articles.

Here is a little snippet of the scant information that I have found him commenting on Spurs players:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/timvickery/2010/09/sandro_keen_to_ignore_talk_of.html

Before the match, Spurs manager Harry Redknapp had bizarrely compared his new signing to Socrates. Too young to have seen the 1980s star, Sandro is nevertheless aware that he is a very different kind of player to the Brazil legend.

"Athletic" is one of the last words that could be used to describe Socrates - and one of the first for Sandro. He may not possess the imagination of Socrates, who developed his skill with the backheel to compensate for his lack of athleticism, but he is much more dynamic, winning tackles on the edge of his own area and with the engine to get into the opposing box.

An objective insight don't you agree? If it wasn't surely he would have talked the player up. And the main topic of the article was the effect on personal lives caused by moving half way round the world, and a cautious reminder that this may reduce his impact on the field. Although I don't expect any more of you, than to interpret it in any way you feel that supportive of your conspiracy ideology.

Now you are slipping up a bit and getting all...

Spoiler

http://thecripplegate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SP11.jpg

 

[City Glory While Others Fade]

Will be interesting to see the slack that Mario Ballotelli will get from the media when he plays for one of their darlings Liverpool compared to his treatment at City....it'll be as though he's had no history in the EPL. Same with the officials. Would that convince the non agenda brigade??

Wish him well etheirway.

 

[cheddar404]

Will be interesting to see the slack that Mario Ballotelli will get from the media when he plays for one of their darlings Liverpool compared to his treatment at City....it'll be as though he's had no history in the EPL. Same with the officials. Would that convince the non agenda brigade??

Wish him well etheirway.

Very interesting so see how this one pans out actually