so this agenda thing.

[hutton who blue]

No. That's not a problem to understand. It all correlates. There is a clear bias against Man City by the bent powers that be of football and has been evidenced by many posters on this thread.

 

[wolviedinho]

The Greedy 4 want a closed shop. They will use every cheap trick in the book to discredit everything the club is trying to achieve. The best way to obtain a mob mentality against the usurpers, is to use the best weapon possible...the media. Arsehole Wenger and Bring a wreath Brenda have a platform which they use on a daily basis to preach their rhetoric. If you say it enough the Brainwashed TV Brigade will follow and believe as they do. Anyone who cannot see how they bad mouth the club at any opportunity is either blind or ignorant. City have their own agenda to follow; lets hope in the future we look back with pride at how the club has achieved greatness on and off the pitch. Beating the Fuckers on Monday will be a good start.

 

[Bill]

And here lies the problem.

We've spent 150 pages talking about the "Agenda" being media bias, but now it's FFP and organised corruption.

Glad you are getting it.

 

[cibaman]

So you think the media, UEFA and other football clubs are all in it together against us? Haha!

The agenerists will say they are without a shred of evidence though
They say FFP was created specifically with city in mind to bring us to our knees
There is more conspiracy theories than at a JFK convention

Bias in the media of course there is but that's all it is

Now ballo is going to get favouritism

Paranoia everywhere

Ok so explain why we didn't have FFP when Chelsea were outspending everyone under Ambramovich, or Jack Walker for Blackburn before him or Steve Gibson for Middlesbrough or when Real Madrid were funded by state subsidies between 2000 & 2006 outspending any other team and filling the with galacticos. Why was it not introduced when the rags spent 30 million on Rooney in 2003 and Ferdinand in 2004.

Precisely why was FFP introduced in 2009 only a year after sheikh Mansour bought the club ? What exactly was the motivation ?

I think we scared them to death in the immediate aftermath of the takeover. Buying robinho and bidding for other top players on the day of the takeover. The bloke who initially represented the sheikh didn't really do us any favours with talk of fantasy football teams. We did come across as if we were planning to take spending to a level way beyond abramovich, walker and co.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... d-woodward</a>

Player recruitment planning [at United] looks years behind City, where the board developed a dedicated system after Mansour’s 2008 takeover, installing a director of football, now Txiki Begiristain, working with managers and directors to a stated aim of two world-class players in each position

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You'd think advertising companies would be in with this worldwide corruption against our club too yet they seem to have forgotten and been putting in numerous adverts around the world with a few of our stars as the centre piece; Joe Hart has been on Head and Shoulders, Doritos and now the new Gillette advert, and Kun has been on numerous Pepsi and Puma adverts too. Maybe the advertising companies have slipped up there then?
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The thing about FFPR is, in some ways it's a good idea, in many others it's terrible and the thing about it with City is that we've already got in the castle before the drawbridge was lifted. We're here and FFPR might knock a few million of our transfer kitty now but it won't affect us a jot ongoing.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724617/MARTIN-SAMUEL-DEBATE-You-ll-never-Manchester-United-Chelsea-FFP-destroyed-competition-hopes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hopes.html</a>

And we are far and away keeping in line with domestic FFPR.

So if either or both were aimed at us (there's also Zenit, Paris, Monaco, Anzi, Donetsk, Wolfsburg, Levekusen, Chelsea numerous other clubs and there was Malaga too...not just Manchester City Football Club) everyone colluding against us has done a smack bang terrible job as their aims will not be a problem for us. It will be a problem for the likes of Shalke, Atléti, Everton, Fiorentina, Marseille...clubs whose profits will not outweigh their spending if they want to become part of the elite.

We're already going to be alright. While it's a terrible idea at keeping the best at the top, it's going to be part of keeping us at the top. We're going to be the ones who end up benefitting from it more than 97.5% of all other clubs!


If they're all in it together - the media keep printing positive stories about us, the television keep having pundits on who are positive about us, the radio keep running stories complementing us, the bookies keep shortening odds on us domestically and in Europe, the advertising companies keep on promoting our stars, domestic FFPR isn't going to touch us, UEFA FFPR is actually going to benefit us, both FFPRs are going to keep us as one of the elite, and we keep getting better than those traditional top clubs United Liverpool and Arsenal, we keep winning, attracting more fans, attracting new sponsors, making new links to clubs worldwide, expanding in every possible way - the whole agenda is failing people so sit back and enjoy!

 

[Bill]

The agenerists will say they are without a shred of evidence though
They say FFP was created specifically with city in mind to bring us to our knees
There is more conspiracy theories than at a JFK convention

Bias in the media of course there is but that's all it is

Now ballo is going to get favouritism

Paranoia everywhere

Ok so explain why we didn't have FFP when Chelsea were outspending everyone under Ambramovich, or Jack Walker for Blackburn before him or Steve Gibson for Middlesbrough or when Real Madrid were funded by state subsidies between 2000 & 2006 outspending any other team and filling the with galacticos. Why was it not introduced when the rags spent 30 million on Rooney in 2003 and Ferdinand in 2004.

Precisely why was FFP introduced in 2009 only a year after sheikh Mansour bought the club ? What exactly was the motivation ?

I think we scared them to death in the immediate aftermath of the takeover. Buying robinho and bidding for other top players on the day of the takeover. The bloke who initially represented the sheikh didn't really do us any favours with talk of fantasy football teams. We did come across as if we were planning to take spending to a level way beyond abramovich, walker and co.

we did, so they developed an agenda. i call it cheating. not got them very far has it ? they will be back with other things i'm sure.

 

[tonea2003]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

Player recruitment planning [at United] looks years behind City, where the board developed a dedicated system after Mansour’s 2008 takeover, installing a director of football, now Txiki Begiristain, working with managers and directors to a stated aim of two world-class players in each position

_______________

You'd think advertising companies would be in with this worldwide corruption against our club too yet they seem to have forgotten and been putting in numerous adverts around the world with a few of our stars as the centre piece; Joe Hart has been on Head and Shoulders, Doritos and now the new Gillette advert, and Kun has been on numerous Pepsi and Puma adverts too. Maybe the advertising companies have slipped up there then?
_______________

The thing about FFPR is, in some ways it's a good idea, in many others it's terrible and the thing about it with City is that we've already got in the castle before the drawbridge was lifted. We're here and FFPR might knock a few million of our transfer kitty now but it won't affect us a jot ongoing.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724617/MARTIN-SAMUEL-DEBATE-You-ll-never-Manchester-United-Chelsea-FFP-destroyed-competition-hopes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hopes.html</a>

And we are far and away keeping in line with domestic FFPR.

So if either or both were aimed at us (there's also Zenit, Paris, Monaco, Anzi, Donetsk, Wolfsburg, Levekusen, Chelsea numerous other clubs and there was Malaga too...not just Manchester City Football Club) everyone colluding against us has done a smack bang terrible job as their aims will not be a problem for us. It will be a problem for the likes of Shalke, Atléti, Everton, Fiorentina, Marseille...clubs whose profits will not outweigh their spending if they want to become part of the elite.

We're already going to be alright. While it's a terrible idea at keeping the best at the top, it's going to be part of keeping us at the top. We're going to be the ones who end up benefitting from it more than 97.5% of all other clubs!


If they're all in it together - the media keep printing positive stories about us, the television keep having pundits on who are positive about us, the radio keep running stories complementing us, the bookies keep shortening odds on us domestically and in Europe, the advertising companies keep on promoting our stars, domestic FFPR isn't going to touch us, UEFA FFPR is actually going to benefit us, both FFPRs are going to keep us as one of the elite, and we keep getting better than those traditional top clubs United Liverpool and Arsenal, we keep winning, attracting more fans, attracting new sponsors, making new links to clubs worldwide, expanding in every possible way - the whole agenda is failing people so sit back and enjoy!

and the reason is.........

great post mate by the way

 

[Len Rum]

And here lies the problem.

We've spent 150 pages talking about the "Agenda" being media bias, but now it's FFP and organised corruption.

There can be different types of agenda.

 

[SilverFox2]

And here lies the problem.

We've spent 150 pages talking about the "Agenda" being media bias, but now it's FFP and organised corruption.

The media certainly have a common Agenda which for all of them happens to be to increase their circulation / customers. In other words to make money.

They all do this by pandering to the Bias of their potential customers because it sells more papers,or gets more viewers. Then ''shock shock'' they may actually deliberately employ people who unashamedly show that bias (eg Vickery or Tyler).
Not a bad strategy really from their point of view and then they give the illusion of fairness by having say ex United and Liverpool players to discuss football matters.

Things will eventually change as the City message reaches out but it will be a slow process to win over the supporters outside the Manchester area but it is already happening thanks to sterling work by ADUG's Marketing people.

When our fan base increases then the media attention will reflect this.

 

[Blue Mooner]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

Player recruitment planning [at United] looks years behind City, where the board developed a dedicated system after Mansour’s 2008 takeover, installing a director of football, now Txiki Begiristain, working with managers and directors to a stated aim of two world-class players in each position
_______________

You'd think advertising companies would be in with this worldwide corruption against our club too yet they seem to have forgotten and been putting in numerous adverts around the world with a few of our stars as the centre piece; Joe Hart has been on Head and Shoulders, Doritos and now the new Gillette advert, and Kun has been on numerous Pepsi and Puma adverts too. Maybe the advertising companies have slipped up there then?

No one is saying there is an agenda against the players, lets not forget Joe Hart is an ‘England’ player and there are plenty of people out there who support England and will put club allegiances to one side. There is no doubt that Hart is very marketable, clean living, great image, articulate etc why wouldn’t marketing agencies see value in that – they’re not promoting mcfc he happens to be an mcfc player. Sergio Aguero similarly is a world star. Yet again its straws being grasped, clinged to, by the non agendarists while you ignore the elephant in the room

The thing about FFPR is, in some ways it's a good idea, in many others it's terrible and the thing about it with City is that we've already got in the castle before the drawbridge was lifted. We're here and FFPR might knock a few million of our transfer kitty now but it won't affect us a jot ongoing.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724617/MARTIN-SAMUEL-DEBATE-You-ll-never-Manchester-United-Chelsea-FFP-destroyed-competition-hopes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hopes.html</a>

And we are far and away keeping in line with domestic FFPR.

So if either or both were aimed at us (there's also Zenit, Paris, Monaco, Anzi, Donetsk, Wolfsburg, Levekusen, Chelsea numerous other clubs and there was Malaga too...not just Manchester City Football Club) everyone colluding against us has done a smack bang terrible job as their aims will not be a problem for us. It will be a problem for the likes of Shalke, Atléti, Everton, Fiorentina, Marseille...clubs whose profits will not outweigh their spending if they want to become part of the elite.

You’re simply reinforcing my point. It is the timing of FFP that clearly and unashamedly points towards the regulations being introduced against MCFC. Take a closer look at your examples above and it proves the point

Zenit – Gazprom bought the club in 2005 and invested over 100 million – no FFP
Anzi – Bought by billionair Sulemeyn Kerimov in 2011 – after FFP – now given up the ghost
Shakhtar Donetzk – Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov bought the club in 1996 – no FFP
Chelsea – Ambramovich bought the club in 2003 – no FFP
Wolfsburg – clutching at straws no significant investment record transfer pre FFP was 12.32m
Bayer Leverkusen – Not even sure why you threw them into the pot, record transfer pre FFP was 7.48m back in 02/03
Paris – Qatar took them over in 2011 - post FFP
Monaco – Rybolovlev took ajority stake in 2011 – again post FFP
Malaga – Sheikh Abdullah Al Thani – took over in 2010 again post FFP

So as I stated previously, prior to MCFC being bought there were rich oligarchs buying clubs and investing 100’s of millions yet nothing was done. Yet it only took UEFA 1 year after MCFC being bought by Sheikh Mansour for FFP to come into existence, presumerably that was 5 minutes spent sh*tting themselves and the rest of the year coming up with the regulations, basically the response was effectively instantaneous. How anyone cannot deduce from this that it was a direct response to our potential wealth and a direct agenda against MCFC is simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told.

If you want evidence, its pretty compelling, far more so than any evidence yet found for the awarding of the world cup to Qatar.

We're already going to be alright. While it's a terrible idea at keeping the best at the top, it's going to be part of keeping us at the top. We're going to be the ones who end up benefitting from it more than 97.5% of all other clubs!

If they're all in it together - the media keep printing positive stories about us, the television keep having pundits on who are positive about us, the radio keep running stories complementing us

That’s precisely the point, they’re absolutely NOT doing any of the above and there is countless numbers of examples on this thread

the bookies keep shortening odds on us domestically and in Europe

The bookies are there to make money they produce odds that ensure this – nothing to do with MCFC

the advertising companies keep on promoting our stars, domestic FFPR isn't going to touch us, UEFA FFPR is actually going to benefit us, both FFPRs are going to keep us as one of the elite, and we keep getting better than those traditional top clubs United Liverpool and Arsenal, we keep winning, attracting more fans, attracting new sponsors, making new links to clubs worldwide, expanding in every possible way - the whole agenda is failing people so sit back and enjoy!

You really are missing the point. The fact we have fantastic owners who have managed the club so professionally and brought us success beyond our wildest dreams doesn’t change the fact that there is a governing body that is doing everything in its power to protect the status quo, it may well be failing but the punishments meted out to us this summer, clipping our ability to invest, is the start of the fightback. The regulations may now inadvertently protect us from ever pluming the depths again but the Premier League, UEFA will not mind an MCFC that is finishing 5th or 6th every season. Does anyone think that without FFP we wouldn’t have been signing Costa, Fabregas or Sanchez ? I think we would have been going toe to toe for all 3 and probably signing all three or at least the one we may have wanted.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

Player recruitment planning [at United] looks years behind City, where the board developed a dedicated system after Mansour’s 2008 takeover, installing a director of football, now Txiki Begiristain, working with managers and directors to a stated aim of two world-class players in each position
_______________

You'd think advertising companies would be in with this worldwide corruption against our club too yet they seem to have forgotten and been putting in numerous adverts around the world with a few of our stars as the centre piece; Joe Hart has been on Head and Shoulders, Doritos and now the new Gillette advert, and Kun has been on numerous Pepsi and Puma adverts too. Maybe the advertising companies have slipped up there then?

No one is saying there is an agenda against the players, lets not forget Joe Hart is an ‘England’ player and there are plenty of people out there who support England and will put club allegiances to one side. There is no doubt that Hart is very marketable, clean living, great image, articulate etc why wouldn’t marketing agencies see value in that – they’re not promoting mcfc he happens to be an mcfc player. Sergio Aguero similarly is a world star. Yet again its straws being grasped, clinged to, by the non agendarists while you ignore the elephant in the room

The thing about FFPR is, in some ways it's a good idea, in many others it's terrible and the thing about it with City is that we've already got in the castle before the drawbridge was lifted. We're here and FFPR might knock a few million of our transfer kitty now but it won't affect us a jot ongoing.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724617/MARTIN-SAMUEL-DEBATE-You-ll-never-Manchester-United-Chelsea-FFP-destroyed-competition-hopes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hopes.html</a>

And we are far and away keeping in line with domestic FFPR.

So if either or both were aimed at us (there's also Zenit, Paris, Monaco, Anzi, Donetsk, Wolfsburg, Levekusen, Chelsea numerous other clubs and there was Malaga too...not just Manchester City Football Club) everyone colluding against us has done a smack bang terrible job as their aims will not be a problem for us. It will be a problem for the likes of Shalke, Atléti, Everton, Fiorentina, Marseille...clubs whose profits will not outweigh their spending if they want to become part of the elite.

You’re simply reinforcing my point. It is the timing of FFP that clearly and unashamedly points towards the regulations being introduced against MCFC. Take a closer look at your examples above and it proves the point

Zenit – Gazprom bought the club in 2005 and invested over 100 million – no FFP
Anzi – Bought by billionair Sulemeyn Kerimov in 2011 – after FFP – now given up the ghost
Shakhtar Donetzk – Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov bought the club in 1996 – no FFP
Chelsea – Ambramovich bought the club in 2003 – no FFP
Wolfsburg – clutching at straws no significant investment record transfer pre FFP was 12.32m
Bayer Leverkusen – Not even sure why you threw them into the pot, record transfer pre FFP was 7.48m back in 02/03
Paris – Qatar took them over in 2011 - post FFP
Monaco – Rybolovlev took ajority stake in 2011 – again post FFP
Malaga – Sheikh Abdullah Al Thani – took over in 2010 again post FFP

So as I stated every time there prior to MCFC being bought there were rich oligarchs buying clubs and investing 100’s of millions yet nothing was done. Yet it only took UEFA 1 year after MCFC being bought by Sheikh Mansour for FFP to come into existence, presumerably that was 5 minutes spent sh*tting themselves and the rest of the year coming up with the regulations, basically the response was effectively instantaneous. How anyone cannot deduce from this that it was a direct response to our potential wealth and a direct agenda against MCFC is simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told.

If you want evidence, its pretty compelling, far more so than any evidence yet found for the awarding of the world cup to Qatar.

We're already going to be alright. While it's a terrible idea at keeping the best at the top, it's going to be part of keeping us at the top. We're going to be the ones who end up benefitting from it more than 97.5% of all other clubs!

If they're all in it together - the media keep printing positive stories about us, the television keep having pundits on who are positive about us, the radio keep running stories complementing us

That’s precisely the point, they’re absolutely NOT doing any of the above and there is countless numbers of examples on this thread

the bookies keep shortening odds on us domestically and in Europe

The bookies are there to make money they produce odds that ensure this – nothing to do with MCFC

the advertising companies keep on promoting our stars, domestic FFPR isn't going to touch us, UEFA FFPR is actually going to benefit us, both FFPRs are going to keep us as one of the elite, and we keep getting better than those traditional top clubs United Liverpool and Arsenal, we keep winning, attracting more fans, attracting new sponsors, making new links to clubs worldwide, expanding in every possible way - the whole agenda is failing people so sit back and enjoy!

You really are missing the point. The fact we have fantastic owners who have managed the club so professionally and brought us success beyond our wildest dreams doesn’t change the fact that there is a governing body that is doing everything in its power to protect the status quo, it may well be failing but the punishments meted out to us this summer, clipping our ability to invest, is the start of the fightback. The regulations may now inadvertently protect us from ever pluming the depths again but the Premier League, UEFA will not mind an MCFC that is finishing 5th or 6th every season. Does anyone think that without FFP we wouldn’t have been signing Costa, Fabregas or Sanchez ? I think we would have been going toe to toe for all 3 and probably signing all three or at least the one we may have wanted.

But I and a fair few others keep on posting when there are positive things in the media about us but you lot choose to ignore the lot of them. There are examples out there everyday with someone in the media being positive about City. I've been off work recently and posted something in this thread probably every other day and I don't even particularity search for them. I watch Sky or listen to talkSPORT or look at certain articles online and hear/read both positives and negatives about us. Yet people post in here only focusing on the negative someone says and talking as if the positive was never said. It's people "simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told."

And why City? What is it about Manchester City Football Club that UEFA doesn't like? That's the thing that doesn't make any sense with your time line. Give me a reason that it wasn't just a coincidence in the timing of FFPR. Or evidence that there is something about our club that needs sanctioning? Or was it just that they felt football in general and what was happening with us was just a coincidence of timing? Because I think I am the only person ever to offer an actual reason for this ever on this topic and after the one reason I offered I had numerous complaints about my point and received a warning from Ric, so it can't be that as I was told I was so extremely wrong. But there is absolutely no other reason. Why particularly us and not other clubs? Not one person has ever offered an explanation other than me for why it is all so focused on City.

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

 

[Blue Mooner]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

Player recruitment planning [at United] looks years behind City, where the board developed a dedicated system after Mansour’s 2008 takeover, installing a director of football, now Txiki Begiristain, working with managers and directors to a stated aim of two world-class players in each position
_______________

You'd think advertising companies would be in with this worldwide corruption against our club too yet they seem to have forgotten and been putting in numerous adverts around the world with a few of our stars as the centre piece; Joe Hart has been on Head and Shoulders, Doritos and now the new Gillette advert, and Kun has been on numerous Pepsi and Puma adverts too. Maybe the advertising companies have slipped up there then?

No one is saying there is an agenda against the players, lets not forget Joe Hart is an ‘England’ player and there are plenty of people out there who support England and will put club allegiances to one side. There is no doubt that Hart is very marketable, clean living, great image, articulate etc why wouldn’t marketing agencies see value in that – they’re not promoting mcfc he happens to be an mcfc player. Sergio Aguero similarly is a world star. Yet again its straws being grasped, clinged to, by the non agendarists while you ignore the elephant in the room

The thing about FFPR is, in some ways it's a good idea, in many others it's terrible and the thing about it with City is that we've already got in the castle before the drawbridge was lifted. We're here and FFPR might knock a few million of our transfer kitty now but it won't affect us a jot ongoing.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724617/MARTIN-SAMUEL-DEBATE-You-ll-never-Manchester-United-Chelsea-FFP-destroyed-competition-hopes.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hopes.html</a>

And we are far and away keeping in line with domestic FFPR.

So if either or both were aimed at us (there's also Zenit, Paris, Monaco, Anzi, Donetsk, Wolfsburg, Levekusen, Chelsea numerous other clubs and there was Malaga too...not just Manchester City Football Club) everyone colluding against us has done a smack bang terrible job as their aims will not be a problem for us. It will be a problem for the likes of Shalke, Atléti, Everton, Fiorentina, Marseille...clubs whose profits will not outweigh their spending if they want to become part of the elite.

You’re simply reinforcing my point. It is the timing of FFP that clearly and unashamedly points towards the regulations being introduced against MCFC. Take a closer look at your examples above and it proves the point

Zenit – Gazprom bought the club in 2005 and invested over 100 million – no FFP
Anzi – Bought by billionair Sulemeyn Kerimov in 2011 – after FFP – now given up the ghost
Shakhtar Donetzk – Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov bought the club in 1996 – no FFP
Chelsea – Ambramovich bought the club in 2003 – no FFP
Wolfsburg – clutching at straws no significant investment record transfer pre FFP was 12.32m
Bayer Leverkusen – Not even sure why you threw them into the pot, record transfer pre FFP was 7.48m back in 02/03
Paris – Qatar took them over in 2011 - post FFP
Monaco – Rybolovlev took ajority stake in 2011 – again post FFP
Malaga – Sheikh Abdullah Al Thani – took over in 2010 again post FFP

So as I stated every time there prior to MCFC being bought there were rich oligarchs buying clubs and investing 100’s of millions yet nothing was done. Yet it only took UEFA 1 year after MCFC being bought by Sheikh Mansour for FFP to come into existence, presumerably that was 5 minutes spent sh*tting themselves and the rest of the year coming up with the regulations, basically the response was effectively instantaneous. How anyone cannot deduce from this that it was a direct response to our potential wealth and a direct agenda against MCFC is simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told.

If you want evidence, its pretty compelling, far more so than any evidence yet found for the awarding of the world cup to Qatar.

We're already going to be alright. While it's a terrible idea at keeping the best at the top, it's going to be part of keeping us at the top. We're going to be the ones who end up benefitting from it more than 97.5% of all other clubs!

If they're all in it together - the media keep printing positive stories about us, the television keep having pundits on who are positive about us, the radio keep running stories complementing us

That’s precisely the point, they’re absolutely NOT doing any of the above and there is countless numbers of examples on this thread

the bookies keep shortening odds on us domestically and in Europe

The bookies are there to make money they produce odds that ensure this – nothing to do with MCFC

the advertising companies keep on promoting our stars, domestic FFPR isn't going to touch us, UEFA FFPR is actually going to benefit us, both FFPRs are going to keep us as one of the elite, and we keep getting better than those traditional top clubs United Liverpool and Arsenal, we keep winning, attracting more fans, attracting new sponsors, making new links to clubs worldwide, expanding in every possible way - the whole agenda is failing people so sit back and enjoy!

You really are missing the point. The fact we have fantastic owners who have managed the club so professionally and brought us success beyond our wildest dreams doesn’t change the fact that there is a governing body that is doing everything in its power to protect the status quo, it may well be failing but the punishments meted out to us this summer, clipping our ability to invest, is the start of the fightback. The regulations may now inadvertently protect us from ever pluming the depths again but the Premier League, UEFA will not mind an MCFC that is finishing 5th or 6th every season. Does anyone think that without FFP we wouldn’t have been signing Costa, Fabregas or Sanchez ? I think we would have been going toe to toe for all 3 and probably signing all three or at least the one we may have wanted.

But I and a fair few others keep on posting when there are positive things in the media about us but you lot choose to ignore the lot of them. There are examples out there everyday with someone in the media being positive about City. I've been off work recently and posted something in this thread probably every other day and I don't even particularity search for them. I watch Sky or listen to talkSPORT or look at certain articles online and hear/read both positives and negatives about us. Yet people post in here only focusing on the negative someone says and talking as if the positive was never said. It's people "simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told."

And why City? What is it about Manchester City Football Club that UEFA doesn't like? That's the thing that doesn't make any sense with your time line. Give me a reason that it wasn't just a coincidence in the timing of FFPR. Or evidence that there is something about our club that needs sanctioning? Or was it just that they felt football in general and what was happening with us was just a coincidence of timing? Because I think I am the only person ever to offer an actual reason for this ever on this topic and after the one reason I offered I had numerous complaints about my point and received a warning from Ric, so it can't be that as I was told I was so extremely wrong. But there is absolutely no other reason. Why particularly us and not other clubs? Not one person has ever offered an explanation other than me for why it is all so focused on City.

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

For me it's quite straigthforward and I don't believe the timing of FFP was one of coincidence. If it was genuinely about fairness then they would have done something back in 2002 when the rags spent what was then an outrageous 30 million on Rooney.

If you look at all the other teams that have had rich owners trying to break into the elite many of them have come from football backwaters as per the Russian examples. They would never seriously challenge the elite and plus they were not in domestic leagues that present a direct challenge. The likes of Boro and Blackburn equally were from small remote towns who, despite their wealth at the time, would never present a serious threat.

Then there is MCFC....

The difference here and why I believe FFP was introduced as a direct response to our new found wealth is that the time we entered the fray, football was starting to go truly global and there were already 4 very well established, well supported and powerful global clubs in Scouse, Rags, Chelsea and Arsenal.

When Chelsea got their wealth they were already arguably part of the comfy cartel, permanently challenging for the top 4, suddenly, with our new found wealth where there was 4 you could now argue there would be 5

MCFC are from one of the major footballing cities in the north, we are direct challengers to the rags (the biggest club in the UK) and 5 into 4 champs league places won't go, and therein lies the threat.

Suddenly it was becoming clear that we would be threatening the wealth and dominance of the top 4 clubs, one of them would be missing out on the riches of the champs league - cue mass panic and the rushing in of new regulations less than a years after our new owners had come in.

Make no mistake these regulations are the to try and stop our success and dislodging one of the big boys from their perch each and every year. Now FFP may well fail in its goal, but make no mistake, it's introduction (IMO) was a direct response to the threat we posed to the status quo.

Make no mistake if the rags don't get into the top four again this season it will be very interesting to see what move the governing bodies next make if as seems likely were not going to be held back by these regulations. Don't be surprised if a top 4 champions league space now becomes a top 5, or, as we are already seeing the UEFA cup has suddenly become a route to qualify for the champs league so they are already looking at ways round it. Unfortunately for the rags they even managed to f*ck that one up last season by finishing a woeful 7th.

 

[Blue Mooner]

No one is saying there is an agenda against the players, lets not forget Joe Hart is an ‘England’ player and there are plenty of people out there who support England and will put club allegiances to one side. There is no doubt that Hart is very marketable, clean living, great image, articulate etc why wouldn’t marketing agencies see value in that – they’re not promoting mcfc he happens to be an mcfc player. Sergio Aguero similarly is a world star. Yet again its straws being grasped, clinged to, by the non agendarists while you ignore the elephant in the room



You’re simply reinforcing my point. It is the timing of FFP that clearly and unashamedly points towards the regulations being introduced against MCFC. Take a closer look at your examples above and it proves the point

Zenit – Gazprom bought the club in 2005 and invested over 100 million – no FFP
Anzi – Bought by billionair Sulemeyn Kerimov in 2011 – after FFP – now given up the ghost
Shakhtar Donetzk – Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov bought the club in 1996 – no FFP
Chelsea – Ambramovich bought the club in 2003 – no FFP
Wolfsburg – clutching at straws no significant investment record transfer pre FFP was 12.32m
Bayer Leverkusen – Not even sure why you threw them into the pot, record transfer pre FFP was 7.48m back in 02/03
Paris – Qatar took them over in 2011 - post FFP
Monaco – Rybolovlev took ajority stake in 2011 – again post FFP
Malaga – Sheikh Abdullah Al Thani – took over in 2010 again post FFP

So as I stated every time there prior to MCFC being bought there were rich oligarchs buying clubs and investing 100’s of millions yet nothing was done. Yet it only took UEFA 1 year after MCFC being bought by Sheikh Mansour for FFP to come into existence, presumerably that was 5 minutes spent sh*tting themselves and the rest of the year coming up with the regulations, basically the response was effectively instantaneous. How anyone cannot deduce from this that it was a direct response to our potential wealth and a direct agenda against MCFC is simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told.

If you want evidence, its pretty compelling, far more so than any evidence yet found for the awarding of the world cup to Qatar.



That’s precisely the point, they’re absolutely NOT doing any of the above and there is countless numbers of examples on this thread



The bookies are there to make money they produce odds that ensure this – nothing to do with MCFC

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You really are missing the point. The fact we have fantastic owners who have managed the club so professionally and brought us success beyond our wildest dreams doesn’t change the fact that there is a governing body that is doing everything in its power to protect the status quo, it may well be failing but the punishments meted out to us this summer, clipping our ability to invest, is the start of the fightback. The regulations may now inadvertently protect us from ever pluming the depths again but the Premier League, UEFA will not mind an MCFC that is finishing 5th or 6th every season. Does anyone think that without FFP we wouldn’t have been signing Costa, Fabregas or Sanchez ? I think we would have been going toe to toe for all 3 and probably signing all three or at least the one we may have wanted.

But I and a fair few others keep on posting when there are positive things in the media about us but you lot choose to ignore the lot of them. There are examples out there everyday with someone in the media being positive about City. I've been off work recently and posted something in this thread probably every other day and I don't even particularity search for them. I watch Sky or listen to talkSPORT or look at certain articles online and hear/read both positives and negatives about us. Yet people post in here only focusing on the negative someone says and talking as if the positive was never said. It's people "simply sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting loudly because they don’t want to hear what they are being told."

And why City? What is it about Manchester City Football Club that UEFA doesn't like? That's the thing that doesn't make any sense with your time line. Give me a reason that it wasn't just a coincidence in the timing of FFPR. Or evidence that there is something about our club that needs sanctioning? Or was it just that they felt football in general and what was happening with us was just a coincidence of timing? Because I think I am the only person ever to offer an actual reason for this ever on this topic and after the one reason I offered I had numerous complaints about my point and received a warning from Ric, so it can't be that as I was told I was so extremely wrong. But there is absolutely no other reason. Why particularly us and not other clubs? Not one person has ever offered an explanation other than me for why it is all so focused on City.

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

For me it's quite straigthforward and I don't believe the timing of FFP was one of coincidence. If it was genuinely about fairness then they would have done something back in 2002 when the rags spent what was then an outrageous 30 million on Rooney.

If you look at all the other teams that have had rich owners trying to break into the elite many of them have come from football backwaters as per the Russian examples. They would never seriously challenge the elite and plus they were not in domestic leagues that present a direct challenge. The likes of Boro and Blackburn equally were from small remote towns who, despite their wealth at the time, would never present a serious threat.

Then there is MCFC....

The difference here and why I believe FFP was introduced as a direct response to our new found wealth is that the time we entered the fray, football was starting to go truly global and there were already 4 very well established, well supported and powerful global clubs in Scouse, Rags, Chelsea and Arsenal.

When Chelsea got their wealth they were already arguably part of the comfy cartel, permanently challenging for the top 4, suddenly, with our new found wealth where there was 4 you could now argue there would be 5

MCFC are from one of the major footballing cities in the north, we are direct challengers to the rags (the biggest club in the UK) and 5 into 4 champs league places won't go, and therein lies the threat.

Suddenly it was becoming clear that we would be threatening the wealth and dominance of the top 4 clubs, one of them would be missing out on the riches of the champs league - cue mass panic and the rushing in of new regulations less than a year after our new owners had come in.

Make no mistake, these regulations are there to try and stop our success, and dislodging one of the big boys from their perch each and every year. Now FFP may well fail in its goal, but make no mistake, it's introduction (IMO) was a direct response to the threat we posed to the status quo.

Make no mistake if the rags don't get into the top four again this season it will be very interesting to see what move the governing bodies next make if as seems likely were not going to be held back by these regulations. Don't be surprised if a top 4 champions league space now becomes a top 5, or, as we are already seeing the UEFA cup has suddenly become a route to qualify for the champs league so they are already looking at ways round it. Unfortunately for the rags they even managed to f*ck that one up last season by finishing a woeful 7th.

 

[George Hannah]

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

either you are insensate or suffering from a sustained repression of your intellectual apparatus or being silly.

 

[tonea2003]

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

either you are insensate or suffering from a sustained repression of your intellectual apparatus or being silly.

when you run out of guesses and supposition, this where you end
like i have said at least you are consistant

 

[Crab Paste!]

So let me get this right, we are dealing with a worldwide, multi-organisational, conspiracy, that takes in everything in football from, FIFA to UEFA, to the Premier League, to the back pages of the local paper. It includes every single team we play against, all teams we have dealings with, all referees, Danny Mills, those morons at talkSPORT, SKY TV and all the Murdoch press, all the non Murdoch press, and the fifth columnists within the club, as identified by Frank Clarke in 1997!

Phew, is it any wonder we haven't won a single match since the takeover!

 

[Len Rum]

I'm not adverse to hearing I've been wrong about all this, but I have not read one single thing from anyone ever on this topic to convince me that there is a conspiracy to bring down, halt or even just slow down Manchester City Football Club in particular as a single club and nobody else.

either you are insensate or suffering from a sustained repression of your intellectual apparatus or being silly.

Are you discussing the same thing?
'Agenda' is not the same as 'Conspiracy'. The former does not have to include the latter and 'Conspiracy' usually implies criminality whereas 'Agenda' doesn't.

 

[George Hannah]

So let me get this right, we are dealing with a worldwide, multi-organisational, conspiracy, that takes in everything in football from, FIFA to UEFA, to the Premier League, to the back pages of the local paper. It includes every single team we play against, all teams we have dealings with, all referees, Danny Mills, those morons at talkSPORT, SKY TV and all the Murdoch press, all the non Murdoch press, and the fifth columnists within the club, as identified by Frank Clarke in 1997!

Phew, is it any wonder we haven't won a single match since the takeover!

your first sentence was great but the others were polemically overdone

 

[The perfect fumble]

So let me get this right, we are dealing with a worldwide, multi-organisational, conspiracy, that takes in everything in football from, FIFA to UEFA, to the Premier League, to the back pages of the local paper. It includes every single team we play against, all teams we have dealings with, all referees, Danny Mills, those morons at talkSPORT, SKY TV and all the Murdoch press, all the non Murdoch press, and the fifth columnists within the club, as identified by Frank Clarke in 1997!

Phew, is it any wonder we haven't won a single match since the takeover!

It's worse than you think!!

First Contact......

"Take me to the United Megastore"

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don't believe FFP was conceived to hamper City per se, but rather the concept of the 'project' and what it stood for in terms of a threat to the status quo if it was to be applied more widely.

Perhaps it's a moot, marginal difference, but it does distinguish in one particular respect: namely the success or otherwise of its intentions.

If the aim was to stop Manchester City then it has to be said it has conspicuously failed - and will continue to. If the aim was to protect the established elite and create sufficient barriers to entry to dissuade others from trying to emulate City, then it has to be seen as a success.

If it is the latter, I expect our place at the top table is a price most of the ancien regime will be more than willing to accept.