Gareth Southgate

Gordyola said:
Clearly missing the point
Hes lauded for how far he got England in tournaments but, ultimately given the criteria of the draw, and taking into account the talent in the squad then its the least the team should have achieved. Or put another way, If the draws had not been so kind then it is likely that the team wouldn't have progressed as far and thus he wouldn't have been lauded. Its three wasted opportunities to have achieved much more. With a manager who had far better understanding of the game then England could have retained the championship they should have won at Wembley. Might be a nice guy but as it so often said nice guys don't win anything Lets face it, would a manager in the mood of Pep or Klopp have allowed Kane to be so selfish and let him play or Bellingham play so bad yet let him refuse to be substituted I some what doubt it
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No they wouldn’t, but you can’t if and but about the draw it’s a proper Red herring TBH we all know with a better manager we may well have won against Italy and probably reached a World cup final, it is what it is Sven had a great squad got us nowhere, Venables was a good manager with the best side in Euro 96 couldn’t make the final, England were arguably the best side at Italia 90 unlucky not to make the final. Southgates style of play made him a target but it almost worked and we lost to best side at the tournament by a mile.
 
Cellarite said:
Fantastic news and well overdue.

He was a safe pair of hands when he took over the national team who were at an extreme low after losing to Iceland. He galvanised the squad and did a decent job at the Russian World Cup if not spectacular. He had us winning games against the likes of Sweden and Colombia who weren't outstanding but were teams that would've beat Hodgson or McClaren's Englands. He absolutely deserved a crack at the Euros which was as good as a home tournament but again we saw boring football. He beat Croatia and Germany and to a lesser extent, Denmark but was found wanting tactically in the final against Italy when the game and trophy was there for the taking.

His contradictions were what really set me against him. It was either the Euros or the Qatar World Cup where he openly said he wouldn't play Foden in a central position because he didn't play there for City. Well he absolutely did and this didn't stop him playing Trent Alexander Arnold in a midfield position when he didn't play there for Liverpool.

That's brings me to his obsession with right backs. He named four right backs for the Euros in 2021 and said if he could pick five or six, he would've done.

We took one left back to Germany this summer, who wasn't fit to play until the quarter finals and not fit to start until the final. We started the opening game with three right backs in the starting eleven. After two group games, he declared that Alexander Arnold in midfield was "an experiment that hadn't worked". Experiment in the lead up to a tournament Gareth and realise before we start that it doesn't work. We all suspected it wouldn't before the Serbia game and knew after it that it wasn't.

He said players needed to be picked on form but persisted with Harry Maguire for around two years when he was either awful for United or not picked at all. It got to a point when Scotland's fans were cheering him when he came on at Hampden Park and the press were bullying him. Southgate played a part in it reaching this situation. Maguire wasn't fit for this tournament and so he fell lucky with Guehi. Maybe if he'd tried to find other centre backs when Maguire was being ignored by Erik Ten Hag, we might've had a settled defence going into the tournament this summer. His excuse was that Maguire had never let him down in an England shirt but there was a game at Wembley where it all got on top of him and he was booked and then sent off within half an hour against Denmark in the Nations League. The second yellow card was trying to retrieve his own poor pass.

He openly said that he didn't want to take Jack Grealish in case we were losing a game and the cameras were panning to him sat on the bench. A total lack of balls and self belief.

Declan Rice is called "world class" despite not being able to do the job alone that the likes of Rodri does with his eyes closed. He continued to pick Jordan Henderson when we all knew that the limited but effective player was passed it - even we he semi retired and was playing in the Saudi league. He's actually said this summer that we haven't got a natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips. He said that England haven't had a player like Adam Wharton for 7-8 years but then didn't give him a single minute in the tournament because he wasn't ready but threw Kobie Mainoo into most of the matches after he'd played nine more Premier League matches than Wharton.

He's played Harry Kane for the last two years when it's been clear to see for all and sundry that he hasn't got the legs to play in Southgate's system and Southgate hasn't got the nous or bravery to try the system that would benefit Kane. In the semi final and final, when we needed a goal, he's hooked Kane and put Ollie Watkins on who won us the Holland game and was a better first touch away from equalising against Spain. Watkins plays in a style more suited to England's tactics you see, but Southgate hasn't got the bollocks to drop his captain.

He suggested during the group stage that the players weren't being told to sit back after going in front but were doing it anyway. As a manager, I can't get my head around the fact that he allowed this to happen (if it's true) and didn't drop players who he felt were guilty of it.

He seems to have failed to see that Jordan Pickford - good shot stopper that he is - continually punted the ball forward which meant England surrendering possession time and time again. These weren't mis-placed passes, they were no look smashes as far as he could whack the ball with no clue where the ball would land apart from a distance away from our goal.

In saying that Jude Bellingham provided magical moments, he was basically admitting what we could all see. He had no tactical plan to win games other than hoping England's players would produce moments to see us over the line in games.

After having plastic pint pots thrown at him after the bore draw with Slovenia in Koln, he stated that he wanted the supporters to stay with the team. I don't believe a single English person in Germany this summer wanted to watch the shit that we've seen and all want to be entertained by an exciting young English team. Who spends their money and summer following a team that they don't really want to win?

He had a good run - too long in many peoples' opinions but now it's over. Goodbye and fucking good riddance.
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Worth reposting. Should be framed. It's all there, and it's pretty much irrefutable. It's not simply “Southgate is shit”. It's argued, point by point — it's “motivated” as they say in dialectics — it's structured and… it is a damning verdict.

Pretty much everybody knows that if England did relatively well during his tenure, if was independently of Southgate. And I'm being kind there. The unkind way of putting it would start with the letter F—, carry on with A— followed by "to do with him”.

Thanks, Gareth. See you around.
 
the major problem with waistcoat is that he pandered to the fa, he started off saying he was going to pick players on merit etc etc and then immediately reverted to type on playing the same old players from the same old clubs oh sure hed have players in the squad to say look at me i try new things but when it came down to it, it was just same old shit different day
 
hilts said:
Maybe after never beating a higher ranked team and playing shit in his 1st tournament

Or his 2nd


Or his 3rd


Or his 4th(FA would have kept him I believe)

You are supporting the definition of madness.
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Sorry but it’s just so funny seeing people who get angry about the FIFA world rankings every time they come out suddenly pretend they actually matter how they sort of (but not actually) help your argument.

Southgate is Englands most successful manager in 50 years, fact.

If you can’t admit that no FA would ever fire their most successful manager in living memory because they *only* achieved the best results in 50 years then perhaps you need to recognise you’ve lost all sense of rationality about Southgate.
 
domalino said:
Sorry but it’s just so funny seeing people who get angry about the FIFA world rankings every time they come out suddenly pretend they actually matter how they sort of (but not actually) help your argument.

Southgate is Englands most successful manager in 50 years, fact.

If you can’t admit that no FA would ever fire their most successful manager in living memory because they *only* achieved the best results in 50 years then perhaps you need to recognise you’ve lost all sense of rationality about Southgate.
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Successful at what?

He didn't win anything
 
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