Squad strength and cost

[JM Mcr]

And Cleverley was nicked from Bradford City

Cleverley has been on Utd's books since he was 12 but don't let the truth stop you ;-)

Still shit though.

if you say so...

 

[Mr. Aguia]

Good idea for a thread.

It is a very close comparison. Although you could argue the figures, for example Milners fee was around 28mill, plus we gave them Ireland, who was rated at around 8mill (don't ask how). Plus there is no Kolo Toure on our squad list, who we paid a ridiculous 16mill for. Also Zaha is not part of their squad, and his fee is potentially £15mill, I'd guess they paid half of that. I can guess their argument would be along the lines of 'our fees paid are over 10years whilst yours is over 3 years'. Which you can't disagree with to be honest, but it's proved a good decision in the success we've had.

Both squads are strong. Our first XI can easily be argued to be better than theirs. We've had a bit of bad luck with injuries, and the ACN.

Milner cost 24m in total.

I could post links to articles that agree with both total fees, that's why I said you could argue most of the fees.

Whether it's 24 or 28m, it's overpriced. RvP was 24m for fucks sake; and I've seen people argue that was overpriced.

Milner is English though so that inflates the figures and he was fairly young with a long term deal in place. RVP was 27 years old, not British, only had 1 year remaining and had a history of injuries.

 

[inchy14]

Cleverley has been on Utd's books since he was 12 but don't let the truth stop you ;-)

Still shit though.

if you say so...

Fuck me JM, you normally talk a lot of sense for a rag ****, but you can't tell me he's done anything to deserve the hype or England call ups. He looks out of his depth in most matches crashing needlessly in to players giving away fouls then throws his arms about Rooney style complaining. Average player who if anywhere else we'd never hear about.

 

[nehe11]

Milner cost 24m in total.

I could post links to articles that agree with both total fees, that's why I said you could argue most of the fees.

Whether it's 24 or 28m, it's overpriced. RvP was 24m for fucks sake; and I've seen people argue that was overpriced.

Milner is English though so that inflates the figures and he was fairly young with a long term deal in place. RVP was 27 years old, not British, only had 1 year remaining and had a history of injuries.

Wasen´t it 16mill+Ireland?

 

[pirate]

Milner cost 24m in total.

I could post links to articles that agree with both total fees, that's why I said you could argue most of the fees.

Whether it's 24 or 28m, it's overpriced. RvP was 24m for fucks sake; and I've seen people argue that was overpriced.

Milner is English though so that inflates the figures and he was fairly young with a long term deal in place. RVP was 27 years old, not British, only had 1 year remaining and had a history of injuries.

rvp was 28 years old (only one month shy of 29)

 

[JM Mcr]

Still shit though.

if you say so...

Fuck me JM, you normally talk a lot of sense for a rag ****, but you can't tell me he's done anything to deserve the hype or England call ups. He looks out of his depth in most matches crashing needlessly in to players giving away fouls then throws his arms about Rooney style complaining. Average player who if anywhere else we'd never hear about.

Big difference between saying someone's overhyped and calling someone shit tho...

I actually think he's a tidy enough player but agree that the media praise of him has been pretty OTT so far. He's suffered plenty of injuries because of which I'd say he's still only at "potential" level, however he's at the age where potential is no longer enough. Needs to start performing on a regular basis if he doesn't want to fall by the wayside.

Oh and thanks for the backhanded compliment ;-)

 

[StMark's]

Wasen´t it 16mill+Ireland?

Yeah, so effectively £16m as I originally included :)

As we don't know exact figures and deals are complicated with add-ons etc, it is difficult to get an exact comparison on overall squad costs. However, I think it is fair to say after the last two transfer windows, the 26 man squads now cost roughly the same in transfer fees paid.

But we still get "neutral" commentators like Jon Champion and Jonathan Pearce who in our last two games continue to make reference to the cost of our starting line-up or squad compared to the opposition. Pearce actually used the absurd £1billion figure against Southampton I recall.

Since our takeover, I don't think I have ever heard any presenter or commentator give of a valuation of the rags team or squad. If anything, they eulogise over the strength of their squad and praise the quality of players available on the bench, as if they were all brought through their academy and didn't cost a penny.

 

[dukie]

As part of the vitriol directed our way this week after our performance at Southampton, are quotes such as us having "by far the strongest squad in the country" actually true? Comparing our current 26 man squad with the Rags, there is hardly any difference in overall cost (around £300m) and I would say they have more options in midfield, although they did spend over £130m to get this. They also spent more on their defence than us (£76m v £72m) although I think we got better value here.

Figures (£m) are taken from official sources where possible and exclude RSC, Bridge and Kolo who will never play for us again. Actually, adjusting the millions spent on Rooney, Ferdinand and Carrick for the transfer inflation that has occurred since then, our current squad actually costs less in real terms.

MCFC

Joe Hart 1.5
Costel Pantilimon 3

Joleon Lescott 22
Matija Nastasić 12
Karim Rekik 0
Vincent Kompany 6
Micah Richards 0
Gaël Clichy 7
Pablo Zabaleta 6
Maicon 3
Aleks Kolarov 16

Javi García 16
Gareth Barry 12
Jack Rodwell 12
Abdul Razak 0
Yaya Touré 24
James Milner 16
Samir Nasri 25
David Silva 24
Denis Suárez 1
Scott Sinclair 6
Marcos Lopes 0

Carlos Tévez 25
Sergio Agüero 38
Edin Džeko 27
John Guidetti 0

Total £302.5m

Rags

David de Gea 17
Anders Lindegaard 3.5

Jonny Evans 0
Phil Jones 16.5
Chris Smalling 12
Rio Ferdinand 30
Patrice Evra 5.5
Nemanja Vidic 7
Alexander Buttner 4
Rafael da Silva 2.6

Michael Carrick 18.5
Darren Fletcher 0
Tom Cleverley 0
Anderson 20
Ryan Giggs 0
Paul Scholes 0
Nani 21
Ashley Young 20
Antonio Valencia 16
Nick Powell 6
Shinji Kagawa 17
Wilfried Zaha 15

Wayne Rooney 30
Robin van Persie 24
Javier Hernandez 10
Danny Welbeck 0

Total 295.6m

So you include Zaha into United's squad, who hasn't even joined yet. But leave out RSC, K.Toure, Bridge just because you think they'll never play again? Makes sense.

A couple of other things:

Tevez cost £45m <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/aug/23/carlos-tevez-legal-battle-revealed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-c ... e-revealed</a>
Hernandez was £2-3m short of your £10m
Nani cost €25.5m in 2007, which when converted to £ back then was £17,2m.. you can check yourself here: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.x-rates.com/average/?from=EUR&to=GBP&amount=25,500,000&year=2007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.x-rates.com/average/?from=EU ... &year=2007</a>
Kagawa cost about £12-14m which may rise depending on success

The list of corrections could go on and on. You've spent almost £600m in the last 6 years, if you want to have a go at United then using transfer fees isn't the way to go, cracker of an own goal though.

 

[BringBackSwales]

As part of the vitriol directed our way this week after our performance at Southampton, are quotes such as us having "by far the strongest squad in the country" actually true? Comparing our current 26 man squad with the Rags, there is hardly any difference in overall cost (around £300m) and I would say they have more options in midfield, although they did spend over £130m to get this. They also spent more on their defence than us (£76m v £72m) although I think we got better value here.

Figures (£m) are taken from official sources where possible and exclude RSC, Bridge and Kolo who will never play for us again. Actually, adjusting the millions spent on Rooney, Ferdinand and Carrick for the transfer inflation that has occurred since then, our current squad actually costs less in real terms.

MCFC

Joe Hart 1.5
Costel Pantilimon 3

Joleon Lescott 22
Matija Nastasić 12
Karim Rekik 0
Vincent Kompany 6
Micah Richards 0
Gaël Clichy 7
Pablo Zabaleta 6
Maicon 3
Aleks Kolarov 16

Javi García 16
Gareth Barry 12
Jack Rodwell 12
Abdul Razak 0
Yaya Touré 24
James Milner 16
Samir Nasri 25
David Silva 24
Denis Suárez 1
Scott Sinclair 6
Marcos Lopes 0

Carlos Tévez 25
Sergio Agüero 38
Edin Džeko 27
John Guidetti 0

Total £302.5m

Rags

David de Gea 17
Anders Lindegaard 3.5

Jonny Evans 0
Phil Jones 16.5
Chris Smalling 12
Rio Ferdinand 30
Patrice Evra 5.5
Nemanja Vidic 7
Alexander Buttner 4
Rafael da Silva 2.6

Michael Carrick 18.5
Darren Fletcher 0
Tom Cleverley 0
Anderson 20
Ryan Giggs 0
Paul Scholes 0
Nani 21
Ashley Young 20
Antonio Valencia 16
Nick Powell 6
Shinji Kagawa 17
Wilfried Zaha 15

Wayne Rooney 30
Robin van Persie 24
Javier Hernandez 10
Danny Welbeck 0

Total 295.6m

So you include Zaha into United's squad, who hasn't even joined yet. But leave out RSC, K.Toure, Bridge just because you think they'll never play again? Makes sense.

A couple of other things:

Tevez cost £45m <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/aug/23/carlos-tevez-legal-battle-revealed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-c ... e-revealed</a>
Hernandez was £2-3m short of your £10m
Nani cost €25.5m in 2007, which when converted to £ back then was £17,2m.. you can check yourself here: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.x-rates.com/average/?from=EUR&to=GBP&amount=25,500,000&year=2007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.x-rates.com/average/?from=EU ... &year=2007</a>
Kagawa cost about £12-14m which may rise depending on success

The list of corrections could go on and on. You've spent almost £600m in the last 6 years, if you want to have a go at United then using transfer fees isn't the way to go, cracker of an own goal though.

best way to have a go at united is to have a look at youtube and look at the behaviour of your fans at the semi final - fucking horrible, vile, arrogant, scummy, glory hunting cockney pricks

 

[StMark's]

OK so you quote an article which says this:

Yet Sir Alex Ferguson decided in 2009 he did not want to pay £25.5m for Tevez and amid some acrimony at Old Trafford, Joorabchian negotiated with City.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/aug/23/carlos-tevez-legal-battle-revealed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-c ... e-revealed</a>

But the rags official website says the opposite:

The Club agreed to pay the option price of £25.5m and offered Carlos a five-year contract which would have made him one of its highest paid players.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2009/Jun/Tevez-leaving-United.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Featu ... nited.aspx</a>

Who is telling porkies then?