Stoke post match thread

It's been the same for years, if you scratch the surface of our squad and take out just one or two regular starters we just don't have effective replacements. Navas should be absolutely nowhere near a top 6 squad. Clichy is just terrible too, he's gone backwards so much in recent years.

still think we can win the league though, it's just going to be more spectacular when we do!
 
Yet again we can't put the chances away we create. No excuses really. This is the reason why we can't beat these bus parkers. Chelski,Rags, Candlepool etc don't seem to have this problem. There's no point having 70% possession and not scoring. This is part of our game that infuriates me.


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I've said it before, but both Sancho and Diaz would offer far more than Navas.
 
I ask this. would pep have rotated had we been playing a top 6 side even with Monaco 7 days away.

my guess is no.

sooner or later the penny has to drop for Pep that this is NOT a two team league.

Probably not, but we weren't playing a top 6 side. We were playing Stoke.

It's not a two team league, but if you're telling me players like Kevin fucking De Bruyne, Kun Aguero, Leroy Sane and Yaya Toure aren't good enough then that's a squad problem.

Yet again we can't put the chances away we create. No excuses really. This is the reason why we can't beat these bus parkers. Chelski,Rags, Candlepool etc don't seem to have this problem. There's no point having 70% possession and not scoring. This is part of our game that infuriates me.

It's really this simple. If any of our clear cut chances were converted then Bill and his ilk would have to wait another week for the chance to find something fresh to be negative about.

Instead, we didn't take our chances, and we have a toxic thread full of insane arguments that our players aren't good enough, that it's because Pep moved on Joe Hart, that it's because City doesn't care about the title, etc. And the answer is still the same: we didn't take our chances, we didn't win. The end.
 
Yet again we can't put the chances away we create. No excuses really. This is the reason why we can't beat these bus parkers. Chelski,Rags, Candlepool etc don't seem to have this problem. There's no point having 70% possession and not scoring. This is part of our game that infuriates me.


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We can´t even hit the target with those chances.

Seems a striker can get praise for placing the ball with accuracy through the legs of a goalie or chipping him for a goal yet is unable to generate the same accuracy to place it between the posts.
 
Except Sane, it was last seasons' team and we got a performance that looked like we were last seasons' team
 
The lack of tempo at the start of our games has been a regularly disappointing recurring these this season. We then put pressure on ourselves late in game. I can only assume that our stats for early goals are extremely poor. The decision to not start Dave was piss poor
Although it was obvious how Silva transformed our play, and in hindsight you can say he should have started, it should not be like that.

Last season when Silva was absent, KDB stepped up and some people were saying he's an upgrade on Silva.

It was not a crazy decision to rest Silva and to expect KDB in his preferred position, to be able to do a job. However, he's been in rubbish form lately and barring his crosses which are still excellent, he's gone to pieces. We need him to control games like this; not give the ball away endlessly.
 
Going to the game I was very complacent. Absolutely sure we would win was it going to be 2 3 or 4. Sadly it seemed the manager and the players were in the same mindset and we could not get any tempo together to get past a gritty stoke.

Oh well may be it was just one of those nights....
 
Going to the game I was very complacent. Absolutely sure we would win was it going to be 2 3 or 4. Sadly it seemed the manager and the players were in the same mindset and we could not get any tempo together to get past a gritty stoke.

Oh well may be it was just one of those nights....

Unfortunately not the first time so maybe lessons are not being learnt from players to manager.
 
Probably not, but we weren't playing a top 6 side. We were playing Stoke.

It's not a two team league, but if you're telling me players like Kevin fucking De Bruyne, Kun Aguero, Leroy Sane and Yaya Toure aren't good enough then that's a squad problem.



It's really this simple. If any of our clear cut chances were converted then Bill and his ilk would have to wait another week for the chance to find something fresh to be negative about.

Instead, we didn't take our chances, and we have a toxic thread full of insane arguments that our players aren't good enough, that it's because Pep moved on Joe Hart, that it's because City doesn't care about the title, etc. And the answer is still the same: we didn't take our chances, we didn't win. The end.
Thanfully Stoke didn't take theirs either. You make it sound as if it was a freak resu!t and we were unlucky.
More chances, more intesity and more pressure was needed. We took ouf foot off the gas and relinquished the impetus we'd been builing recently.
Do you think if we were playing Stoke tonight he'd pick the same team? I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but many predicted a struggle when the team was announced and so it proved. I imagine it gave Stoke a boost too.
Call it negative or toxic if that's how you argue - but in reality it's concern and discussion.
 
After last nights performance the next 4 fixtures don't give me much confidence.
Liverpool H
Arsenal A
Chelsea A
Southampton A

We are playing better away though, we need a minimum of 6 points to stay on course for top 4 imo.
 
Probably not, but we weren't playing a top 6 side. We were playing Stoke.

It's not a two team league, but if you're telling me players like Kevin fucking De Bruyne, Kun Aguero, Leroy Sane and Yaya Toure aren't good enough then that's a squad problem.



It's really this simple. If any of our clear cut chances were converted then Bill and his ilk would have to wait another week for the chance to find something fresh to be negative about.

Instead, we didn't take our chances, and we have a toxic thread full of insane arguments that our players aren't good enough, that it's because Pep moved on Joe Hart, that it's because City doesn't care about the title, etc. And the answer is still the same: we didn't take our chances, we didn't win. The end.

I totally agree. There are far too many on here who spout a load of nonsense. It's obvious some of these so called fans are clueless and probably were nowhere to be seen pre 2008.

Can't wait for Saturday as it should be a great day out at Boro with thousands of well informed Blues cheering on the boys to pick up all 3 points.
 
Probably not, but we weren't playing a top 6 side. We were playing Stoke.

It's not a two team league, but if you're telling me players like Kevin fucking De Bruyne, Kun Aguero, Leroy Sane and Yaya Toure aren't good enough then that's a squad problem.



It's really this simple. If any of our clear cut chances were converted then Bill and his ilk would have to wait another week for the chance to find something fresh to be negative about.

Instead, we didn't take our chances, and we have a toxic thread full of insane arguments that our players aren't good enough, that it's because Pep moved on Joe Hart, that it's because City doesn't care about the title, etc. And the answer is still the same: we didn't take our chances, we didn't win. The end.
You say negative I say honest. Anyway back to my point. If as you say pep would not have rotated for a top side how would that set of players be any less tired when we play Monaco? Probably more so having had a tougher game.

Pep dropped one end of.
 
Thanfully Stoke didn't take theirs either.

Stoke arguably played for the point, their chances were rare and weren't so clear cut.

You make it sound as if it was a freak resu!t and we were unlucky.

Never said that. We didn't play well enough and we didn't take our chances, that's all.

More chances, more intesity and more pressure was needed.

Agreed.

We took ouf foot off the gas and relinquished the impetus we'd been builing recently.

That makes it sound like an intentional draw, which is unfair. Teams have off days, Chelsea and Spurs have them too.

Do you think if we were playing Stoke tonight he'd pick the same team?

Possibly, who knows? Do you think he picked the team solely because he thought it was good enough or was there perhaps also training and development aspects involved too?

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but many predicted a struggle when the team was announced and so it proved.

"Many predicted a struggle," this isn't FIFA, you can't always and in every situation throw out your best XI, especially not with four massive games in 10 days.

The team Pep played was arguably good enough, flappers predicted a struggle against Sunderland (so it was), Bournemouth (so it was) and Swansea (so it was) and that was with our first XI.

The difference between Stoke and those games was we took our chances in those games and didn't against Stoke.

I imagine it gave Stoke a boost too.

Hope so, they have Chelsea next.

Call it negative or toxic if that's how you argue - but in reality it's concern and discussion.

Concern isn't bringing up shit about Joe Hart after we just broke the club's consecutive clean sheets record.

Further, had David Silva, or Kelechi Iheanacho, or Leroy Sane, or Kun Aguero put away their tap ins, you wouldn't be on here being negative at all. Fine margins, that's the difference.

You say negative I say honest. Anyway back to my point. If as you say pep would not have rotated for a top side how would that set of players be any less tired when we play Monaco? Probably more so having had a tougher game.

Pep dropped one end of.

Nah, you're negative mate.

Bottom line is, you don't know. The lineup was good enough to beat Stoke but it didn't. If you want to say it wasn't good enough to beat Stoke, then you're making the case that we should essentially replace players like Sane, KDB and Aguero because they aren't capable of scoring sitters against a team who have conceded more goals than all but the relegation zone teams.
 
I totally agree. There are far too many on here who spout a load of nonsense. It's obvious some of these so called fans are clueless and probably were nowhere to be seen pre 2008.

Can't wait for Saturday as it should be a great day out at Boro with thousands of well informed Blues cheering on the boys to pick up all 3 points.

Talking of which!!
 
Thanfully Stoke didn't take theirs either. You make it sound as if it was a freak resu!t and we were unlucky.
More chances, more intesity and more pressure was needed. We took ouf foot off the gas and relinquished the impetus we'd been builing recently.
Do you think if we were playing Stoke tonight he'd pick the same team? I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but many predicted a struggle when the team was announced and so it proved. I imagine it gave Stoke a boost too.
Call it negative or toxic if that's how you argue - but in reality it's concern and discussion.

Totally agree. I didn't come away from that game last night thinking we were unlucky and that we'd battered them. We simply didn't do anywhere near enough and Stoke thoroughly deserved their point. Of our 5 home draws in the league this season, you can make a sound case for being unlucky against Everton, 'Boro, and Spurs. Stoke and Saints on the other hand looked pretty comfortable and might've even taken all 3 points themselves on another day.
 

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