Sturgeon wants another referendum

[without a dream]

Yes I do. That doesn't mean we stop trading with each other. Let's face it. In the event of WTO rules the uk need all the trade they can get, as will we.

This also applies to sharing the £. It's in both our interests that we use it then our resources also underpin it's strength. If we are refused it, it will plummet. It already has through Brexit and another fall will cripple the economy. We need to be smart. It serves no purpose other than revenge and spite.

Things will be bad enough. We shouldn't shoot ourselves in the head on top of what we all face.

If you want to keep the BOE as a lender of last resort you can't have the pound without deals that essentially remove sovereignty though, it's not spite, it's protecting the currency.

 

[stony]

I've worked all over Scotland and never had a problem. Turned up on one site in Coatbridge and the grisly, bearded old fucker shouted out to his mate "Eddie we're working with an English bastard" and then grinned. I spent a fortnight working there and got on great with them. We talked about footy a lot and he even had a piece of Wembley turf in his garden.
North Wales on the other hand, now some of those fuckers really do hate the English.

 

[purplenose]

Yes I do. That doesn't mean we stop trading with each other. Let's face it. In the event of WTO rules the uk need all the trade they can get, as will we.

This also applies to sharing the £. It's in both our interests that we use it then our resources also underpin it's strength. If we are refused it, it will plummet. It already has through Brexit and another fall will cripple the economy. We need to be smart. It serves no purpose other than revenge and spite.

Things will be bad enough. We shouldn't shoot ourselves in the head on top of what we all face.

Were I a Scot residing there I would most certainly give very serious consideration to voting for independence. However it would be independence. I think even if the EU allow Scotland some kind of membership it will prove to be an absolute disaster that makes being governed by a load of Tory wankers in London seem like Utopia.

Like I have previously said in truth any referendum will not be for independence but a choice of being governed from London or Governed from Brussels.

 

[bluemoon32]

The Jocks hate each other ( Protestants v Catholics) far more than they hate the English.
Lived up there for over 10 years and loved it mostly, apart from the religious bollocks

 

[purplenose]

I've worked all over Scotland and never had a problem. Turned up on one site in Coatbridge and the grisly, bearded old fucker shouted out to his mate "Eddie we're working with an English bastard" and then grinned. I spent a fortnight working there and got on great with them. We talked about footy a lot and he even had a piece of Wembley turf in his garden.
North Wales on the other hand, now some of those fuckers really do hate the English.

That Grizzly old fucker is not a rare beast in Scotland and that sort of greeting is not unusual, but some silly bastards down here would take it seriously and get all offended and intimidated, its people like that who you can have a right good laugh with.

Now North Wales is a different matter as you say they really do have a hatred of the English, I have experienced hostility in several places there.

I have to confess to being shocked when I went to Northern Ireland which was even more friendly than Scotland.

 

[Magicpole]

The Jocks hate each other ( Protestants v Catholics) far more than they hate the English.
Lived up there for over 10 years and loved it mostly, apart from the religious bollocks

The religious bolloks is not as bad as it was but it's still fucking embarrassing.

And you're right, you would have mire chance if them asking

Proddy English or Catholic English than bothering that you were English.

I have never seen anybody being abused for being English just for being English and would have a word if I did as would every man and woman I know.

These pricks exist, but every country has them sadly. It's just the rest of us have to tell them to shut the fuck up or face a blue on blue dust up.

 

[Damocles]

That Grizzly old fucker is not a rare beast in Scotland and that sort of greeting is not unusual, but some silly bastards down here would take it seriously and get all offended and intimidated, its people like that who you can have a right good laugh with.

Now North Wales is a different matter as you say they really do have a hatred of the English, I have experienced hostility in several places there.

I have to confess to being shocked when I went to Northern Ireland which was even more friendly than Scotland.

Now that you guys have mentioned it, I also have had a bit of anti-English stick in Wales. In fact it's the only country I've been to where I've had it.

Odd.

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

Everyone voting in the Scotish referendum should have done so with the possibility of conservative win in the next election which would mean an EU vote and a possible exit.

If anyone didn't then why not ?

The manifesto promise was made for a uk vote to be held a full year before the Scotish referendum was held so this should have been a part of the decision proccess.

The snp putting in the words a "material change" in their own manifesto in 2016 calling for another referendum if this happens doesn't alter the fact that there was a conservative manifesto pledge for a uk vote on eureope if they got back into power.


Is there anyone on here who voted in the Scotish referendum who voted not taking into consideration the possible outcome of a uk EU vote ?

 

[stony]

Now that you guys have mentioned it, I also have had a bit of anti-English stick in Wales. In fact it's the only country I've been to where I've had it.

Odd.

Only North Wales, mainly on and around Anglesey. Never had any problems in South Wales.

 

[purplenose]

Only North Wales, mainly on and around Anglesey. Never had any problems in South Wales.

Bangor or Holyhead are two fine examples of where you can come unstuck, and then of course there is Wrexham where a trip round the pubs is a very good alternative to visiting the zoological establishment across the border in Chester. However such a safari is not for the faint hearted and the animals are not caged and can be dangerous.

 

[pee dubya]

Everyone voting in the Scotish referendum should have done so with the possibility of conservative win in the next election which would mean an EU vote and a possible exit.

If anyone didn't then why not ?

The manifesto promise was made for a uk vote to be held a full year before the Scotish referendum was held so this should have been a part of the decision proccess.

The snp putting in the words a "material change" in their own manifesto in 2016 calling for another referendum if this happens doesn't alter the fact that there was a conservative manifesto pledge for a uk vote on eureope if they got back into power.


Is there anyone on here who voted in the Scotish referendum who voted not taking into consideration the possible outcome of a uk EU vote ?

I don't think there's many people seriously thought at the time Brexit was likely to happen, especially up here where the majority of people you meet day to day want to remain in the EU.

In the last 3 years I've met one person who I know voted to leave, like it or not, that shapes your perception of what's likely to happen.

It even feels weird to me when I occasionally meet a tory supporter, when you don't come across these people it's to believe there's that many out there.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I've worked all over Scotland and never had a problem. Turned up on one site in Coatbridge and the grisly, bearded old fucker shouted out to his mate "Eddie we're working with an English bastard" and then grinned. I spent a fortnight working there and got on great with them. We talked about footy a lot and he even had a piece of Wembley turf in his garden.
North Wales on the other hand, now some of those fuckers really do hate the English.

I concur.

What I did find funny though is some clown wrote "English go home" in Welsh on the side of a barn near Maenan just off the A470 in 3ft high letters.

 

[Sid C]

I've worked all over Scotland and never had a problem. Turned up on one site in Coatbridge and the grisly, bearded old fucker shouted out to his mate "Eddie we're working with an English bastard" and then grinned. I spent a fortnight working there and got on great with them. We talked about footy a lot and he even had a piece of Wembley turf in his garden.
North Wales on the other hand, now some of those fuckers really do hate the English.

Same as.

I've been going regularly to Scotland since I was a kid and only ever had one problem (which was probably my fault)

Wales is a completely different kettle of fish. (No pun intended). I've even had two caravans there when my kids were younger and I could write a book about the problems I've had with those idiots.

 

[Magicpole]

None to you fine, plenty to me, my friends and fellow blues, my family in a hotel in Majorca, my next door neighbour at Wembley v Scotland, a workmate on the London to Edinburgh train, because its supposedly not happened to you does not mean it has not happened to other people

On that logic because it happened to you doesn't mean it happens all the time either.

 

[bluemoon32]

See, that's where you're all going wrong, that's what you get for going to North Wales.
As a South Walian I've never set foot in North Wales and hopefully never will, they are seriously fcuking weird people.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

On that logic because it happened to you doesn't mean it happens all the time either.

Sometimes, when stuff keeps happening to you, your family and your mates, the problem might be a little closer to home!!!

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

I don't think there's many people seriously thought at the time Brexit was likely to happen, especially up here where the majority of people you meet day to day want to remain in the EU.

In the last 3 years I've met one person who I know voted to leave, like it or not, that shapes your perception of what's likely to happen.

It even feels weird to me when I occasionally meet a tory supporter, when you don't come across these people it's to believe there's that many out there.

There's no difference then, you can't say the people voted on it not likely to happen and then complain when it did.The information was there to be used in the decision making and if people chose to vote reasoning on it not happening then simply they were wrong.
The snp was going on about it leading up to the vote, it was in their view a reason to have independence. To then say things have changed after brexit is nothing more than a feeble bactracking excuse for another vote.

Considering the importance of an independant vote and the EU vote is about independence then maybe it should have been one of the main reasons in the thought process of the scotish voters

 

[purplenose]

See, that's where you're all going wrong, that's what you get for going to North Wales.
As a South Walian I've never set foot in North Wales and hopefully never will, they are seriously fcuking weird people.

Fear not I think most will say that S Wales is different again, as you say they are a strange lot in North Wales.

 

[Magicpole]

If you want to keep the BOE as a lender of last resort you can't have the pound without deals that essentially remove sovereignty though, it's not spite, it's protecting the currency.

The currency is dependent upon the economy that supports it. Sterling us a trade able currency and we could continue to use it anyway.

But keeping our GDP behind it will prevent it crashing more. Also the reading and exchange costs if that are removed.

It really doesn't make sense economically for either of us to fight over it. With both economies backing it and underpinning it should reduce the likelihood of it crashing further than the 20% caused by Brexit.

 

[Magicpole]

Sometimes, when stuff keeps happening to you, your family and your mates, the problem might be a little closer to home!!!

Or where you live happens to have a lot of thick moronic cunts who intimidate innocent people.

I detest that type. I'm sorry you experienced the shit you have mate.