Sturgeon wants another referendum

Magicpole said:
She could do that but how will it look? She will be in there trying to be all goody two shoes and other member states will be like, you're fucking acting like a dictator to the people of Scotland who want to stay.

There is also the issue of delegitimising the devolved parliaments and making them, under Mayday Mayday's rule as a waste of time.

That will be a difficult position to hold for a government standing shoulder to shoulder with the spread of democracy.

The ref will happen and telling us we are not allowed to will anger more than just Yes voters.

Once the terms are known and submitted is the time. She is reluctant because if she has brexit and us fucking off with all the oil her arse and government will collapse. Fortunately it's only labour up against them so they will retain power under the rule of the bold Boris.

For it is written.
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Sturgeon is just trying to ensure the SNP stay relevant. They are like ukip, as soon as they get what they want they cease to be of any use.
 
Helmet Cole said:
Sturgeon is just trying to ensure the SNP stay relevant. They are like ukip, as soon as they get what they want they cease to be of any use.
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How does that explain after losing the last referendum so independence wasn't an issue they sent 56 Mps to Westminster with 50% of the vote and won a third term as the Scottish government. Think what you like about independence, I haven't decided yet, but they don't need it to stay relevant, the last election it wasn't even on the radar. They are nothing like ukip.
 
blueparrot said:
How does that explain after losing the last referendum so independence wasn't an issue they sent 56 Mps to Westminster with 50% of the vote and won a third term as the Scottish government. Think what you like about independence, I haven't decided yet, but they don't need it to stay relevant, the last election it wasn't even on the radar. They are nothing like ukip.
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What he said.
 
Magicpole said:
I'm simply responding to people making assertions they can't back up. I'm saying we will need to see what develops. May can say stuff that doesn't mean it happens. It means she wants it to. The practicalities of denying a democratic process will change that.

You disagree.

We will see.
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But it simply will not and cannot happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you ignore this simple fact????????????

I posted the proof of this a few pages ago - so the rest of your view is simply an SNP wet dream
 
Helmet Cole said:
Sturgeon is just trying to ensure the SNP stay relevant. They are like ukip, as soon as they get what they want they cease to be of any use.
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Maybe, maybe not. However, like them or not, both UKIP and SNP will have made a considerable mark on the political landscape.

I could see SNP having an ongoing role. Not UKIP, though, because they were essentially a one-man band and their party organisation is lamentable.
 
blueparrot said:
How does that explain after losing the last referendum so independence wasn't an issue they sent 56 Mps to Westminster with 50% of the vote and won a third term as the Scottish government. Think what you like about independence, I haven't decided yet, but they don't need it to stay relevant, the last election it wasn't even on the radar. They are nothing like ukip.
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Didnt they get 49.97% of the vote? Which, ironically, would be a losing vote in a referendum but a landslide vote in a GE, such is the way our electoral system works.

They'll always be relevant whilst the independence arguement is so finely balanced. But it they did win they would immediately become irrelevant. Whereas UKIP could potentially still have a future post brexit, if they were any good.
 
cibaman said:
Didnt they get 49.97% of the vote? Which, ironically, would be a losing vote in a referendum but a landslide vote in a GE, such is the way our electoral system works.

They'll always be relevant whilst the independence arguement is so finely balanced. But it they did win they would immediately become irrelevant. Whereas UKIP could potentially still have a future post brexit, if they were any good.
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Why do you think UKIP are more viable post brexit than SNP would be post indy?

I hope you're wrong, and i think you are. It would disappoint me hugely if we gained independence then slid back into essentially a 2 party slagging match, tory vs labour. Part of my hope for the future of Scotland would be 4 or 5 strong political parties offering different options to voters. Holyrood is designed to prevent majority governments after all.

I think you're wrong because the SNP are gaining popularity in the local elections also, they already have the popular vote and all signs point to a better performance in the upcoming local elections. That's local government, not national, little to do with independence.
 
pee dubya said:
Why do you think UKIP are more viable post brexit than SNP would be post indy?

I hope you're wrong, and i think you are. It would disappoint me hugely if we gained independence then slid back into essentially a 2 party slagging match, tory vs labour. Part of my hope for the future of Scotland would be 4 or 5 strong political parties offering different options to voters. Holyrood is designed to prevent majority governments after all.

I think you're wrong because the SNP are gaining popularity in the local elections also, they already have the popular vote and all signs point to a better performance in the upcoming local elections. That's local government, not national, little to do with independence.
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Surely 'was designed'. The 2011 results rather debunked that idea. ;-)
 
blueparrot said:
How does that explain after losing the last referendum so independence wasn't an issue they sent 56 Mps to Westminster with 50% of the vote and won a third term as the Scottish government. Think what you like about independence, I haven't decided yet, but they don't need it to stay relevant, the last election it wasn't even on the radar. They are nothing like ukip.
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The reason they are like ukip is that once you get beyond the single issue (brexit for ukip, and independence for the SNP) neither have a credible, costed plan to govern. The SNPs' economic policy seems to be based on the 1960's Beverley Hills hillbillies TV show from the '60's.
 
Helmet Cole said:
The reason they are like ukip is that once you get beyond the single issue (brexit for ukip, and independence for the SNP) neither have a credible, costed plan to govern. The SNPs' economic policy seems to be based on the 1960's Beverley Hills hillbillies TV show from the '60's.
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Haha
 
Helmet Cole said:
The reason they are like ukip is that once you get beyond the single issue (brexit for ukip, and independence for the SNP) neither have a credible, costed plan to govern. The SNPs' economic policy seems to be based on the 1960's Beverley Hills hillbillies TV show from the '60's.
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''Come 'n listen to a story 'bout a pissed off Jock...''
 
Helmet Cole said:
The reason they are like ukip is that once you get beyond the single issue (brexit for ukip, and independence for the SNP) neither have a credible, costed plan to govern. The SNPs' economic policy seems to be based on the 1960's Beverley Hills hillbillies TV show from the '60's.
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Apart from the last 12 years when they have governed and been re elected and whether there is a referendum or not will probably still be in government for another seven years,None of which has ever or will ever apply to ukip. SNP 56 Westminster Mps UKIP 0. Be against the SNP and independence by all means, I would advise their opponents didn't underestimate them though.
Do you really think a party can win the votes they have by being a single issue party when until the Brexit vote that issue wasnt even a relevant issue ?
Do you really beleive 50 % of those living in Scotland are so single minded and stupid.?
 
sir baconface said:
Maybe, maybe not. However, like them or not, both UKIP and SNP will have made a considerable mark on the political landscape.

I could see SNP having an ongoing role. Not UKIP, though, because they were essentially a one-man band and their party organisation is lamentable.
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You can put us in the same sentence when UK achieve 50% of the vote.

No comparison to the spiritual home if right wing Tories. UKIP where the foot soldiers the Tory right manipulated and promoted them to achieve what they never could under the Tory banner.

We have kicked labour into third place and not one of the msp's who voted against Indy 2 won a seat. All list and votes taken from us in the weird system we have.

Although we lost the outright majority by one seat. We actually got more votes than when we won an outright majority as well as sending 56 MPs down the road. I Tory, 1 Lamedem.

That's the picture. A massive switch of ex labour voters. Not kilt wearing nats.
 
blueparrot said:
Apart from the last 12 years when they have governed and been re elected and whether there is a referendum or not will probably still be in government for another seven years,None of which has ever or will ever apply to ukip. SNP 56 Westminster Mps UKIP 0. Be against the SNP and independence by all means, I would advise their opponents didn't underestimate them though.
Do you really think a party can win the votes they have by being a single issue party when until the Brexit vote that issue wasnt even a relevant issue ?
Do you really beleive 50 % of those living in Scotland are so single minded and stupid.?
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Yes
 
blueparrot said:
Apart from the last 12 years when they have governed and been re elected and whether there is a referendum or not will probably still be in government for another seven years,None of which has ever or will ever apply to ukip. SNP 56 Westminster Mps UKIP 0. Be against the SNP and independence by all means, I would advise their opponents didn't underestimate them though.
Do you really think a party can win the votes they have by being a single issue party when until the Brexit vote that issue wasnt even a relevant issue ?
Do you really beleive 50 % of those living in Scotland are so single minded and stupid.?
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You could just as easily ask the same question about the USA and the fuckwit they voted in.
The Shetland pony/bay city roller hybrid has very little opposition to worry about in Scotland
 
Helmet Cole said:
Yes
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Fair enough I know your opinions on Scottish politics are irrational then. As an English voter thats voted no to independence, but has been won over by SNP policy compared to anything else the Scottish parties have to offer, and just on this thread I'm not the only on that seems to apply to.
 
Paulpowersleftfoot said:
You could just as easily ask the same question about the USA and the fuckwit they voted in.
The Shetland pony/bay city roller hybrid has very little opposition to worry about in Scotland
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Same also applies to the Toreis in the UK , just because the opposition is hopeless doesnt mean the Tories don't have policies, other than Brexit.
 
Sturgeon can fucking wait because we need 2 new full backs before anything else is agreed or done!
 
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