Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

I wonder what he makes of the eruv?
I've spent many a long hour at Golders Green bus station if that counts....

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On a tangential note here's Owen Jones talking to a pampered public school boy peddling far-right conspiracy theories at the Tory Party conference. What Tory boy has to say is nonsensical, it's only significance is that Owen's defence of multiculturalism folds when confronted with it....

 
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I've spent many a long hour at Golders Green bus station if that counts....

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On a tangential note here's Owen Jones talking to a pampered public school boy peddling far-right conspiracy theories at the Tory Party conference. What Tory boy has to say is nonsensical, it's only significance is that Owen's defence of multiculturalism folds when confronted with it....


What far right conspiracy theory did you hear Tory boy peddle?

I'm guessing you "heard" some version of "replacement", but apart from unfortunately referring to "alien" culture he was describing historic movements of people into areas of poverty, where successive immigrant groups have moved in then moved out. Total tosh about Powell, though, as he underestimated the capacity of ordinary "native" Brits to adapt to racial heterogeneity. (Twas ever thus in these Isles except for skin colour.)
 
I've spent many a long hour at Golders Green bus station if that counts....

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On a tangential note here's Owen Jones talking to a pampered public school boy peddling far-right conspiracy theories at the Tory Party conference. What Tory boy has to say is nonsensical, it's only significance is that Owen's defence of multiculturalism folds when confronted with it....


Racist little prick!
 
What far right conspiracy theory did you hear Tory boy peddle?

I'm guessing you "heard" some version of "replacement", but apart from unfortunately referring to "alien" culture he was describing historic movements of people into areas of poverty, where successive immigrant groups have moved in then moved out. Total tosh about Powell, though, as he underestimated the capacity of ordinary "native" Brits to adapt to racial heterogeneity. (Twas ever thus in these Isles except for skin colour.)

You want to analyse Tory boy? Fine, I'm not interested in what he had to say, it's the usual tropes, it's what Braverman was peddling, it's alien invasion and swamping, all the Tory fear mongering we've heard before.

Jones couldn't counter it because the counter argument is "don't worry in a generation or so it'll all blend and something different but the same will emerge, it has been ever thus"

But he can't, coz that's not what he believes.
 
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There are certain folk in here that are quick to jump to conclusions about what I'm saying and even who I am.

I've spent most of my working life in export, lived in Nigeria for a bit, travelled extensively mostly in the developing world, particularly the Middle East, just when my career was taking off I ditched it and worked for a fair trade charity based out of the old London county hall, then run by Ken Livingstone and I spent three years promoting goods in the UK imported from co-operatives in Africa, shoes and coffee from Nicaragua, rum from Cuba, even fruit and vegetables from North Africa, sorting out supply lines, payment all that sort of thing, often exporting back to the supplier stuff they need like packing machinery and so on.

It burnt me out.

I then went back into the private sector for fifteen years, then ditched that to do consultancy work for UK Trade and Investment and ended up working for Ken Livingstone again, this time mostly with the Bangladeshi community in East London and the West African community in West London, I got that gig because I was good at it and I wanted it.

Then I moved to Norfolk to get married and ended up doing much the same (yes even in Norfolk) I did this work coz in truth no one else wanted it, it was too "difficult" and meeting folk from different cultures I found exciting and often challenging.

The main challenges were that so many members of our ethnic minorities feel alienated from the mainstream, in this case mainstream business culture, so they often opted for the usual trades that certain ethnic minorities have made their own. Even when they do branch out certain cultural practices hold them back, my job was to challenge that.

But what was so depressing, particularly under the old GLC, was the patronisation of ethnic minorities, under the dogma of multiculturalism.

Under multiculturalism to urge alienated groups to look beyond their own community and bend to the mainstream culture, the mainstream business culture, is a bit tricky, particularly if your political stand point is that mainstream capitalism is shit, and there's no such thing as mainstream culture anyway, and if there is it's nothing more than a mechanism to keep the establishment in charge and the downtrodden in their place.

That was the big problem under Livingstone, he didn't know how stuff worked but he knew it was all part of the cycle of power and oppression. He set insane targets, 20% of London businesses were ethnic minority owned, so 20% of London's exports must come from ethnic minority businesses. But ethnic minority businesses tend to be in the local service industry, food, retail, import and so on, so they don't have much to export, even if they were so inclined, but that didn't matter, his target was met, on paper at least, but in reality of course it wasn't.

Under the banner of multiculturalism the old GLC pumped oodles of cash into all sorts of "black business groups" and "Asian business forums" , that were little more than a grifters paradise and delivered next to nothing. Everything we did to celebrate diversity emphasised difference at the expense of unity, coz Livingstone believed diversity is strength, except it isn't, unity is strength and that comes from unity of purpose, and if not that, consent will do, and in the last resort compliance. Coz the world is not as we would like it, but withdrawing into pockets of the familiar, all the time, and baking it into a dogma, isn't going to change it.

The lie at the centre of all this multiculturalism bullshit is there's no mainstream culture, but I'm afraid there is and if you want to better yourself and your community you've got to acknowledge that and get with the programme, and that is simply the truth of it. So folk can call me a fascist, a racist, a communist a nasty person and so on, knock yourself out. But we all have to bend to earn a crust and get by, regardless of race, colour and whatnot and telling folk otherwise doesn't do them any favours.
 
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Every Tory attempt at ‘renewal’… pushes the Party closer to the abyss. Every poll indicates that they are losing more heavily than ever before. There is one possible remedy. Labour may be soft on immigration. The electorate may be scared away from its obvious intention, even at this late hour, by the prospect of hordes of foreigners being seduced into the country by Jack Straw. Several ministers, some for lack of any other strategy, some out of an instinctive xenophobia, press the Prime Minister to ‘play the race card’.

… As always when a course of action is urged on him by his enemies in the cabinet, whom he describes as ‘bastards’, nice Mr Major rolls over on his back and pants happily in agreement. The Queen’s Speech makes it clear that immigration and political asylum will be an issue at the general election.

… This is one of the many areas of modern politics where Old Labour meets New Labour. When the Tories play the race card they know for sure that they will not be opposed by Labour. There will of course be the usual platform squeals – ‘you’re playing the race card!’ – followed at once by panic-stricken attempts to trump it.

Both parties will career through the campaign assuring the electorate that they remain implacably committed to the strictest possible immigration controls. Anyone interested in the basic case for and against immigration controls will have to travel far outside the normal political boundaries.

Paul Foot in 1995.



Link to the Foot article


 
Every Tory attempt at ‘renewal’… pushes the Party closer to the abyss. Every poll indicates that they are losing more heavily than ever before. There is one possible remedy. Labour may be soft on immigration. The electorate may be scared away from its obvious intention, even at this late hour, by the prospect of hordes of foreigners being seduced into the country by Jack Straw. Several ministers, some for lack of any other strategy, some out of an instinctive xenophobia, press the Prime Minister to ‘play the race card’.

… As always when a course of action is urged on him by his enemies in the cabinet, whom he describes as ‘bastards’, nice Mr Major rolls over on his back and pants happily in agreement. The Queen’s Speech makes it clear that immigration and political asylum will be an issue at the general election.

… This is one of the many areas of modern politics where Old Labour meets New Labour. When the Tories play the race card they know for sure that they will not be opposed by Labour. There will of course be the usual platform squeals – ‘you’re playing the race card!’ – followed at once by panic-stricken attempts to trump it.

Both parties will career through the campaign assuring the electorate that they remain implacably committed to the strictest possible immigration controls. Anyone interested in the basic case for and against immigration controls will have to travel far outside the normal political boundaries.

Paul Foot in 1995.



Link to the Foot article



The Tories were in power for 65 nonconsecutive years in the 20th Century and 13 years so far this century, yet they still play this card as if it's all news to them, and their core voters lap it up.

But there's no doubt the Tories are in trouble, they play this card only twice in the political cycle, when they've a solid majority and know they're getting another at the next election, so they don't mind pissing of the floating voter with a conscience coz they don't need em. Or like now when they're in the shitter and they've given up flirting with the floating voter and are happy to use this rhetoric to shore up their core vote.
 
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I've spent many a long hour at Golders Green bus station if that counts....

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On a tangential note here's Owen Jones talking to a pampered public school boy peddling far-right conspiracy theories at the Tory Party conference. What Tory boy has to say is nonsensical, it's only significance is that Owen's defence of multiculturalism folds when confronted with it....



It sounds like he's spent far too much time listening to Ben Shapiro to the extent that he is even mimicking his speech patterns, I'd also bet good money that he will turn up as a member of an offshoot of National Action.
 
It sounds like he's spent far too much time listening to Ben Shapiro to the extent that he is even mimicking his speech patterns, I'd also bet good money that he will turn up as a member of an offshoot of National Action.

No he won't, his home is the Tories.

This conversation could've been had in France, Germany, Italy, it could've been had 30 years ago. In fact it was....

Every Tory attempt at ‘renewal’… pushes the Party closer to the abyss. Every poll indicates that they are losing more heavily than ever before. There is one possible remedy. Labour may be soft on immigration. The electorate may be scared away from its obvious intention, even at this late hour, by the prospect of hordes of foreigners being seduced into the country by Jack Straw. Several ministers, some for lack of any other strategy, some out of an instinctive xenophobia, press the Prime Minister to ‘play the race card’.

… As always when a course of action is urged on him by his enemies in the cabinet, whom he describes as ‘bastards’, nice Mr Major rolls over on his back and pants happily in agreement. The Queen’s Speech makes it clear that immigration and political asylum will be an issue at the general election.

… This is one of the many areas of modern politics where Old Labour meets New Labour. When the Tories play the race card they know for sure that they will not be opposed by Labour. There will of course be the usual platform squeals – ‘you’re playing the race card!’ – followed at once by panic-stricken attempts to trump it.

Both parties will career through the campaign assuring the electorate that they remain implacably committed to the strictest possible immigration controls. Anyone interested in the basic case for and against immigration controls will have to travel far outside the normal political boundaries.

Paul Foot in 1995.



Link to the Foot article



We all see what we want to see here, left wing sites like Novara Media have posted this clip and hailed it as Jones roasting a racist Tory boy.

Right wing sites have posted it hailing it as Tory boy roasting a Trot.

This fucking merry-go-round gets us precisely nowhere.
 
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Just a thought - if they come out of the Council of Europe which is what you do to leave the ECHU and having already Brexited what is there to stop the EU shovelling people into the boats with a compass? I mean we are not a member state of the EU or CoE what agreement would we have to stop them? Who would we appeal to?
 

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