Educated response. Someone offers an example where a clear offside goes in our favour and is a RAG.
It's clear by your 8 post rant it's not up for debate. You're paranoia is so strong you must sleep wrapped in tin foil.
Swings and Roundabouts -Decisions for and Against
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Educated response. Someone offers an example where a clear offside goes in our favour and is a RAG.
It's clear by your 8 post rant it's not up for debate. You're paranoia is so strong you must sleep wrapped in tin foil.
Manchester33
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Do you know where I can find these stats? Not that I'm doubting you, I'd just like to see them.
IMO it's more to do with our players than people let on. When United play, Rooney is in the refs ear all game, there are people who do the same thing at EVERY other big club (try and think of a big club that doesn't - it's hard!).
We don't do it, we don't have a 'win at all costs' mentality, we have a mentality where we want to win games in an honest manner. We don't surround referee's, we don't dive, our manager doesn't abuse the ref if he's had a bad game, we kick the ball out when an opposition player is time wasting etc...
It's not that we're too nice, I just think we aren't as clued up as other big clubs. In the Champions League against Juve, as soon as they went ahead they took the ball into the corner at went down at every opportunity to let the time run out - we need to adopt the dark arts to conquer Europe or to dominate the league.
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Hope you're just wumming, part of what I posted was fact, not even debatable - so "Bullshit" doesn't seem a very viable response.
You're obsessed & paranoid, stop looking for things that aren't there.
FYI; you can quote multiple people in one message rather than spamming a whole page of your nonsense.
Yup.
Unfortunately I don't, sorry. They've been posted numerous times on different threads relating to similar discussions.
In regards to your other points - why the fuck should we resort to such snidey, underhanded, cheating tactics to win?
You're basically admitting that we get a rough deal off referees because were not a team full of cunts. Which in essence means you believe referees are not giving us decisions based on what they actually see, which is outright cheating and corrupt. That is a FA, UEFA and FIFA issue, not a Manchester City issue.
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It is because the points suggesting city get fair share of decisions are ridiculous, I had an argue,net with a friend about this in Germany.
City definitely get the sharp end of the stick and to hear Blues? behave so absolutely clueless and buy in to the bias riles me immensely.
If you are a City fan take a long hard look at yourself and begin to see the manipulated I'll inf,red individual that you are. Wake up fella
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It is because the points suggesting city get fair share of decisions are ridiculous, I had an argue,net with a friend about this in Germany.
City definitely get the sharp end of the stick and to hear Blues? behave so absolutely clueless and buy in to the bias riles me immensely.
If you are a City fan take a long hard look at yourself and begin to see the manipulated I'll inf,red individual that you are. Wake up fella
In his excellent pre-match analysis of Everton vs City, @MadchesterCity included this stats table showing last seasons statistics for free kicks awarded in EPL and LL. I thought that they were so suprising they deserved a thread of their own. The stats show that of the 40 odd teams in the two leagues, last season we had by far the fewest free kicks awarded per game and relatively high numbers awarded against us. When free kicks awarded against us/for us is converted to a ratio, we are top (bottom) of the league. If you interpret the results at face value, we are Leeds of the 1970's!
Why should this be so:
1) there is an institutional bias from the referee community against us
2) our players dont dive therefore play is waived on and no free kick awarded
3) we are undisciplined (but our fouls committed are not even in the top quartile of the 40 teams)
The stat that really stood out for me is the fouls suffered which is by far the lowest of the 40 teams. Just to make that real:
City 310 free kicks given for us over a season
Arsenal 437
Chelsea 447
MU 487
Barcelona 575
What is that about? What do others think? What should the club be doing to address this?
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Oh this old chestnut. Is anybody going to compare the penalty stats since 2010/2011. Were about plus 20 compared to Arsenal and have a better pens for and against than any of our rivals.
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Oh shut up. You're not even reading what people are posting and you spout absolute gash.
The OP literally says "no blue tinted" etc. claiming this thread is supposed to be neutral. Yet the things I pointed out were very clearly the opposite of what the OP claims, how come everything "against" us gets a line for itself (to bulk out & appear as though there's more) yet the decisions for us get written on one line (to shrink the appearance of these) - that is simply not a neutral way to represent something which in itself makes this whole thread pointless, either do it in a fair & neutral manner as claimed so we really can see whether we get shafted more often than not, or don't bother doing it at all.
I never once claimed City have gotten the fair share of decisions this season, in fact the opposite. I am simply saying this thread is useless whilst blue tinted bias is so clearly on show in the original post. Here is my post:
So learn to read & stop mouthing off at fellow fans claiming they're all reds because they disagree with your utterly paranoid & obsessive opinions on this matter.
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Because it makes winning easier - which means we will win more trophies, which will make us fans happy.
Pretty much, yeah. But I'd replace the word ****, with smart or wise. If we were smarter we'd be the team getting all the decisions, not giving stupid free kicks away with 10 mins to go when we're 2-1 down.
No, I think they give us all the decisions they see, or are aware of, but we could give them a helping hand pointing out certain fouls etc.
City participate in both FA and UEFA competitions, if it's their issue it's our issue.
I do get what you're saying overall, I'm just playing devil's advocate to some extent.
I think you'd prefer City to stay as we are, winning a handful of domestic trophies in an honest manner.
I'd prefer us to win everything, at almost any cost. IMO we get pelted by the majority of non-city media and fans regardless. Barcelona cheat there way to the Champions League final on a regular basis, but no-one will remember that in 50 years, they'll just look at how good Messi and co were to win 3/4 European cups and several leagues. When we won the league in 13/14, everyone remembers the heroic swing in fortunes between us and Liverpool, no-body talks about Dzeko rolling round, refusing to get of the pitch for 5 mins in added time at Goodison Park. It was smart, it gave us a breather and ran the clock down, I'm very happy he did it and it got us over the line in the league.
It's not a black and white scale though, Diving for penalties, or purposely winding opposition players up to the point they kick you and get sent off is different to tactically time wasting etc - we barely do any of it and it shows in our recent European record.
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It is because the points suggesting city get fair share of decisions are ridiculous, I had an argue,net with a friend about this in Germany.
City definitely get the sharp end of the stick and to hear Blues? behave so absolutely clueless and buy in to the bias riles me immensely.
If you are a City fan take a long hard look at yourself and begin to see the manipulated I'll inf,red individual that you are. Wake up fella
https://www.justgiving.com/NorthEastScotlandBlues
Sorry mate those stats are absolutely damning and lays bear for all to see the inherent bias and constant mountains we have to climb when compared with our rivals. When you look at this its some achievement that we have still managed to be successful.
I've seen you quote this misnomer stat about penalties awarded. If you actually take the time to look at the games where we have been awarded a penalty it has been invariably, bar the very odd exception, when we have been winning games comfortably and the games have ended with us winning by a 3 or 4 game margin. When I can be inclined I will quote the games and when the penalty was awarded.
Contrast that with the stats above that demonstrate that game in, game out we are consistently having lots of free kicks awarded against us despite having the majority of possession in most games conversely we get much fewer free kicks despite having much more of the ball. It is simply inexplicable and defies any sort of law of averages.
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so you don't understand the offside rule?