Tactics v Arsenal 442 or 451

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So, what do we do on Saturday against Arsenal. I imagine that they will line up in a very very similar formation to the way the rags did. They will of course dominate possession as that's what they're good at. How are we going to play?

The 442 counter attack?

Or the 451/433, lets try and play Arsenal at their own game?
 
BillyShears said:
So, what do we do on Saturday against Arsenal. I imagine that they will line up in a very very similar formation to the way the rags did. They will of course dominate possession as that's what they're good at. How are we going to play?

The 442 counter attack?

Or the 451/433, lets try and play Arsenal at their own game?
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They're weak against counter attack with Campbell and Silvestre as their CB's, they might dominate posession but I can't see them doing anything with it with Denilson in the middle.
 
4-5-1/4-3-3 would be the way to go i feel but it'd mean we'd have to drop Adebayor and i think he could have a big impact for us on Saturday so i'd be tempted to go with 4-4-2 with Tevez dropping deep when we haven't got the ball. Thankfully their spare man in midfield will more than likely be Denilson and with the greatest respect he's nowhere near as good as Scholes but we still need to make sure we close him down more than we did with Scholes on Saturday

They will commit men forward and we have the ability to pick them off, we can do it but we might have to be patient when we don't have the ball
 
5 in the middle. It showed yet again against the rags that as the central two in a 4-4-2 De Jong and Barry lack attacking threat. Having another midfielder in there will help us to cut their passing game down and also to stop Tevez getting isolated. Will Campbell and Silvestre be playing? If so we have to exploit them with our pace.

I'd pick SWP over Johnson because he's played well against Arsenal already this season and I think AJ is a good option off the bench if we need something different. Ireland hasn't had a good season but I still think he can give us something our other midfielders cannot.

-------------------------Given------------------------
Nedum-----------Kompany-------Toure-----------Bridge
SWP-----------De Jong ---Ireland----Barry-------Bellers
-------------------------Tevez------------------------
 
masterwig said:
I'm worried Ade would lose his head and get banned again. Can't be risking that.
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Not too sure about that. I think the ACON changed his way of thinking.
 
MCFC-alan88 said:
masterwig said:
I'm worried Ade would lose his head and get banned again. Can't be risking that.
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Not too sure about that. I think the ACON changed his way of thinking.
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No doubt some of the Arsenal fans will make use of that to try and put him off his game. Is he strong enough to cope?

Anyway, I do think last week Ade and Tevez were isolated from our midfield and to change that one of them has to be dropped.
 
MCFC-alan88 said:
masterwig said:
I'm worried Ade would lose his head and get banned again. Can't be risking that.
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Not too sure about that. I think the ACON changed his way of thinking.
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Plus I'm sure that his teammates and the coaching staff will be reminding him that the best form of revenge is to simply score goals against them...and avoid the petty stuff. He's a professional and should be able to handle the occasion.

Either way, if he plays, I'm sure everyone from our side will be keeping an eye on him to make sure he's not getting involved in unnecessary confrontations...
 
masterwig said:
MCFC-alan88 said:
Not too sure about that. I think the ACON changed his way of thinking.
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No doubt some of the Arsenal fans will make use of that to try and put him off his game. Is he strong enough to cope?

Anyway, I do think last week Ade and Tevez were isolated from our midfield and to change that one of them has to be dropped.
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Possibly, but then you could argue that Arsenal are going to pass it around us no matter who plays, so we could probably leave one of our DM's out (I know, it sounds insane) and put someone in a central role, or have Barry move forward to link the midfield and forwards with De Jong sat infront of the back four, but for this to work. Barry HAS to get forward and support the wingers/forwards.
 
IMO we definitely play 442 and hit them on the break. Arsenal are very vulnerable to quick breaks into the spaces that their fullbacks vacate and that plays to the strengths of our team. I do see the arguments for a 433, and even if we do play 433 our approach has to be the same - sit deep, keep in shape and hit them with brutal speed on the counter. I don't think we have the players to match arsenal's ball retention.

I have to say I think we match up very well against Arsenal, we have exactly the right sort of player to trouble them.
 
Braggster said:
IMO we definitely play 442 and hit them on the break. Arsenal are very vulnerable to quick breaks into the spaces that their fullbacks vacate and that plays to the strengths of our team. I do see the arguments for a 433, and even if we do play 433 our approach has to be the same - sit deep, keep in shape and hit them with brutal speed on the counter. I don't think we have the players to match arsenal's ball retention.

I have to say I think we match up very well against Arsenal, we have exactly the right sort of player to trouble them.
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I actually agree with all of that...

IIRC we started the home game against them playing 433 - but scored three goals after Petrov came on and we switched to a 442. However the one thing about that game was that we did break with real purpose - whereas frankly, against the rags last weekend we didn't really look to commit many men forward when we did break...

So lets hope we at least let the shackles come off when we do break...
 
BillyShears said:
Braggster said:
IMO we definitely play 442 and hit them on the break. Arsenal are very vulnerable to quick breaks into the spaces that their fullbacks vacate and that plays to the strengths of our team. I do see the arguments for a 433, and even if we do play 433 our approach has to be the same - sit deep, keep in shape and hit them with brutal speed on the counter. I don't think we have the players to match arsenal's ball retention.

I have to say I think we match up very well against Arsenal, we have exactly the right sort of player to trouble them.
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I actually agree with all of that...

IIRC we started the home game against them playing 433 - but scored three goals after Petrov came on and we switched to a 442. However the one thing about that game was that we did break with real purpose - whereas frankly, against the rags last weekend we didn't really look to commit many men forward when we did break...

So lets hope we at least let the shackles come off when we do break...
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Hope so, especially as - IMO - Arsenal's capacity to counter attack is significantly less these days than it was in the Vieira/Overmars/Henry heyday. So we shouldn't be too afraid of an Arsenal counter attack.

Have to say though, I think our counter attacking against the rags was hampered by poor decision making as much as lack of bodies and that is rare failing by us.
 
4-4-2 with Tevez very deep and the wide men quite narrow.

If Richards is fit bring him in at RB and drop Toure.

Hit them hard and fast on the counter.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
4-4-2 with Tevez very deep and the wide men quite narrow.

If Richards is fit bring him in at RB and drop Toure.

Hit them hard and fast on the counter.
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I dont think we should drop Toure tbh, We have had far to many different centre backs for the whole season, Kompany and Toure have been in there for the last few games now hopefully there getting an understanding together at Centre Back. But definetly agree with hitting them on the counter attack, Thats the best way to play against Arsenal, They always get caught out!
 
Didsbury Dave said:
4-4-2 with Tevez very deep and the wide men quite narrow.

If Richards is fit bring him in at RB and drop Toure.

Hit them hard and fast on the counter.
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I can't see them dropping Toure, club captain and all that.

I agree though, hard and fast on the counter is exactly the way we should play it. Like you say Tevez has to come deep. Arsenal won't approach this the way the rags set up against us, first of all they're at home and love to attack and Wenger is arrogant enough to stick with ''his style'' of football against any opponent. We can win this game, but we'll need to be as well organised as Spurs were against them and make the most of counter attacks. I think SWP could have a big part to play in this possibly from the bench.
 
does'nt matter what formation we play we just need to harras them all over the pitch and not show them repect get at them they are there for the taking especially the 2 grandad's at the back
 
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