Tevez can go if he isnt happy - Mancini

[wilf9]

Read the whole interview and it's very differernt to the guardian and Mail tripe.

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[samharris]

Cloughie at Leeds. Extreme example though. Not the norm.

Ron Saunders at City in 1974.

There are plenty of others where club chairmen felt they had to choose between players and manager and they decided to ditch the manager.

Ok then heres the scenario....City sack Bob and keep Tevez...

City put managerial job vacancy on the Internet,it may as well go sommat like this...

Manchester City football club require new Manager who must agree to bow down to unhappy players and training methods or we'll fook you off...

yeah right.

 

[fbloke]

What some people seem to have done is ignored the quotes from Mancini and settled on the spin.

I am really pleased that Mancini feels able to tell players they can leave if unhappy as he would surely be working to agreed priciples with the board ?

We also get a glimpse into citys strategy as he talks about winning at city is MORE important than winning at real or barca as the always win.

Some interesting and positive stuff in there if you ignore the reporters spin

 

[Weston Blue]

Read the Gary James post. Thanks Gary for putting it in perspective.

Gary James Post subject: Media and press coverage - FACTS NOT FICTIONPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:46 am



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Location: Publisher's Facebook page: "James Ward Publishing" Already today there are several posts talking about what has been written about City in today's nationals.

Some of these talk of rifts between Tevez, Mancini and others. Some talk off players being told they can leave and so on.

I feel compelled to write this post in the hope that some sense is shown. Please ignore the reports. If we comment specifically on them and keep threads going then we'll be adding fuel to their stories.

I was going to post these comments on the more negative posts about Tevez & Mancini but, to be frank I don't want to give any more fuel to those sensational stories.

I attended the press conference yesterday and saw how the media questioned Mancini. Mancini was professional, calm, organised. He was impressive. Some journalists did not get the amount of material from him they would like (I have some sympathy with local media on that), but there were clearly different aspects to the press conference.

There was a different tone when the press conference moved on to the nationals. The majority of their questions were about other clubs (Inter Milan, Liverpool, Chelsea and United), but they also pushed one line about 'will you be sacked' and another on Tevez. The questions they asked went along the lines of: Tevez is unhappy with your training what do you think? The answer was always the right one, along the lines of "I have talked with him". "What did you say?" "It's private. He seems happy now". "Tevez has said he wants Champions League football, what's your view" "Every player should want Champions League football. That's the same for Tevez, Adebayor..."

It was all like that. He never said that he would be happy for Tevez to leave or that Tevez will leave, what he actually said was about ambition. And surely every player should have ambition to play in the Champions league?

I came away from the press conference thinking that Mancini is undoubtedly the right man for the job, but was of the opinion that the press wanted to catch him out. They wanted to create headlines.

So, please ignore anything that's written that talks about rifts, players leaving, negativity and so on. That's journalists doing what they need to do to sell papers.

After the press conference I saw some of the players and Mancini working with them. It was all good natured and positive. They were working together and I came away thinking that we are in a great position and that we stand a real chance of winning the next 3 games.

Ignore the negative media spin and focus on what actually is said.


Last edited by Gary James on Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

PS Gary if you read this when do we get our Joe Mercer books?

 

[nijinskybell]

Ron Saunders at City in 1974.

There are plenty of others where club chairmen felt they had to choose between players and manager and they decided to ditch the manager.

Ok then heres the scenario....City sack Bob and keep Tevez...

City put managerial job vacancy on the Internet,it may as well go sommat like this...

Manchester City football club require new Manager who must agree to bow down to unhappy players and training methods or we'll fook you off...

yeah right.

I think you're absolutely right. I was just illustrating that there have been examples of player power getting rid of a manager.

 

[mcfc_die_hard]

Well if it come down to them both then bye bye tevez. Whats going to happen if tevez gets his way and we bring someone else in and then he falls out with them, are we going to sack them aswell?

Get on with it tevez ffs and stop crying over extra training. You have the easiest job in the world on stupid fucking money so an extra training session is fuck all compared to the money your on.

 

[manapai siti]

I hope, sly man.

Lets be honest this man for his own good has turned Tevez into a multi millionaire, supported him through some tough times and been there for him all the way through his rise up the game

I should imagine that Kia is not only his agent but his friend, i would also imagine Kia wants more money out of him, but blaming him for this is a bit much

Hello kia arsehole.

 

[samharris]

Ok then heres the scenario....City sack Bob and keep Tevez...

City put managerial job vacancy on the Internet,it may as well go sommat like this...

Manchester City football club require new Manager who must agree to bow down to unhappy players and training methods or we'll fook you off...

yeah right.

I think you're absolutely right. I was just illustrating that there have been examples of player power getting rid of a manager.

was agreeing with you bud..in my own silly way :)

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I find all these rumours of unrest very confusing. What is it that seems to be making supposedly a fair number of players so unhappy? Mancini seems like a likeable bloke and he has come in and improved results and got the club genuinely challenging for 4th. What more do the players want? Is this seriously about having an extra training session every now and then? If so, then it is just ridiculous. Of course Mancini is boss and no way would I want the club to back players over managers, it would be the thin end of the wedge, however, it may be an idea for Mancini to sit down with the squad, discuss the issues they seem to have and try to work things out. There has to be a better way than just letting our best players go at the drop of a hat. If it is to do with potentially not qualifying for the CL, well firstly they should be busting their bollocks to get us in to it over the next week or so and then it's not an issue but secondly they must have realised that it might take more than just one season to achieve. Thought the following line was fantastic, a couple of championships with us would be worth about 10 at Barca in real terms:

"the important thing is to win with a club that has not won anything for a long time. This is more important than winning with Real Madrid and Barcelona, who win every year. Changing the history of this club is another thing.”

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Anyway it looks like there isn't a problem and the press are looking for an angle.

 

[Anonymous]

At the moment,the only way you go to a club at the "next level" after leaving City is to go to-

Barca.
Madrid.

End of.

We are on the shoulders of the rags,Chelsea and Arsenal.
We have the money to compete with anyone and we can keep getting stronger,while the squads at Arse,pool and the rags go backwards.

If Barca or Madrid come in with the right money,I wouldn't blame any player for leaving to go there.Lifestyle,climate-good luck to them.
Just ask the rags about the lure of Madrid to their best players.

But otherewise-why on earth would you leave City to go to somewhere like Liverpool at the moment?
And why the hell should the price be less that was agreed when he signed for us,seeing as how he's had a marvelous season?

This is why none of it makes any sense.
You'd be mad to leave City at the moment other than for footballing reasons-ie. can't get a game.

It's all because we've had decades of "ikkle City" rammed down our throats by cnuts like Taylor...some of our fans still can't believe or accept that we now have players of the quality of Tevez,and thus believe that he could never be "happy" at City.

Fuck all the shit stirrers and rag press tossers!!!

 

[Pigeonho]

At the moment,the only way you go to a club at the "next level" after leaving City is to go to-

Barca.
Madrid.

End of.

We are on the shoulders of the rags,Chelsea and Arsenal.
We have the money to compete with anyone and we can keep getting stronger,while the squads at Arse,pool and the rags go backwards.

If Barca or Madrid come in with the right money,I wouldn't blame any player for leaving to go there.Lifestyle,climate-good luck to them.
Just ask the rags about the lure of Madrid to their best players.

But otherewise-why on earth would you leave City to go to somewhere like Liverpool at the moment?
And why the hell should the price be less that was agreed when he signed for us,seeing as how he's had a marvelous season?

This is why none of it makes any sense.
You'd be mad to leave City at the moment other than for footballing reasons-ie. can't get a game.

It's all because we've had decades of "ikkle City" rammed down our throats by cnuts like Taylor...some of our fans still can't believe or accept that we now have players of the quality of Tevez,and thus believe that he could never be "happy" at City.

Fuck all the shit stirrers and rag press tossers!!!

We're about 10 years and 10 trophies away from you being able to say that yet. Whilst I know what you mean about an up and coming club, never let it be forgotten the likes of Chelsea and united will continue to win trophies, so until we pass them and win things either as well as, or more than them, there will always be a few other clubs to go to better than us other than Madrid and Barca!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Have to admit, this is the first time I have heard Mancini display the type of balls I want from any City manager.

I posted in a thread a fortnight ago that there were certain players (Tevez in the main) who were agitating and presenting the owners with something between a rock and hard place.

What a disgrace it was that Mancini was having to work within these conditions.

The likes of myself, DD and couple others were dismissed at the time as trying to overplay the situation.

Mancini's comments yesterday have borne out that if there were no issues, why comment at all.

I also warmed to Mancini's comments regarding how fulfilling it should be for both him and and any other player at this club, that success would mean a lot more here.

However, and this is the crux of the problem we have as a club. The owners, and we as fans, either have to accept that big reputations come with even bigger expectations and demands, or we go back to square one.

By that, the focus should move away from the big names we all dream of seeing in a blue shirt, and the focus being more on solid dependable, albeit, still at a very decent level of player.

A sort of step above Everton, I would try to equate.

Now that might be okay for a large cross section of City fans, and it may well yield the odd trophy, but if this 'project' is all about prestige and the making of serious cash is directly linked, then I can't see how it does not remain at conflict between board and pitch.

I have appreciated the cut of Mancini's gib today, but there is an unpalatable truth that top players are impatient, they are spoilt and they want everything now.

Does that fit in with out timeframe. You only have to see the hypocrisy of the type of plyers who will suddently become very interested is us if we do make fourth this season.

They are not coming to create history for us - but for themselves.

Footballers are like petulant kids, give them an inch, any sign of weakness, they will take a mile.

My great fear is that these next two games will be dicatated by agendas.

Which is why I want a strong character in charge, why I believe Mourinho would have been perfect fit.

But Mancini has bared his teeth, and if we somehow do make fourth, he will have achieved something every bit as demanding as his title wins at Inter.

 

[penalty spot]

So Tevez is unhappy with training methods blah, blah. Hughes always went on about players would not like his training sessions because they were so demanding and Tevez is unhappy that Hughes went 5 months after the event.Mancini has not had an easy time since then injuries and playing with Hughes players. As for me I like his style and hope he can get some of his own players in to show what he can do.Tell the prima donnas to do one just like he has done.Now come on City get some good PR people in and sue all these ungrateful journalists probably red ones who sit at eastlands getting the best facilities in the premier league,food conditions etc. and slagging us off.If the atmosphere is good Saturday we might do it.

 

[samharris]

Have to admit, this is the first time I have heard Mancini display the type of balls I want from any City manager.

I posted in a thread a fortnight ago that there were certain players (Tevez in the main) who were agitating and presenting the owners with something between a rock and hard place.

What a disgrace it was that Mancini was having to work within these conditions.

The likes of myself, DD and couple others were dismissed at the time as trying to overplay the situation.

Mancini's comments yesterday have borne out that if there were no issues, why comment at all.

I also warmed to Mancini's comments regarding how fulfilling it should be for both him and and any other player at this club, that success would mean a lot more here.

However, and this is the crux of the problem we have as a club. The owners, and we as fans, either have to accept that big reputations come with even bigger expectations and demands, or we go back to square one.

By that, the focus should move away from the big names we all dream of seeing in a blue shirt, and the focus being more on solid dependable, albeit, still at a very decent level of player.

A sort of step above Everton, I would try to equate.

Now that might be okay for a large cross section of City fans, and it may well yield the odd trophy, but if this 'project' is all about prestige and the making of serious cash is directly linked, then I can't see how it does not remain at conflict between board and pitch.

I have appreciated the cut of Mancini's gib today, but there is an unpalatable truth that top players are impatient, they are spoilt and they want everything now.

Does that fit in with out timeframe. You only have to see the hypocrisy of the type of plyers who will suddently become very interested is us if we do make fourth this season.

They are not coming to create history for us - but for themselves.

Footballers are like petulant kids, give them an inch, any sign of weakness, they will take a mile.

My great fear is that these next two games will be dicatated by agendas.

Which is why I want a strong character in charge, why I believe Mourinho would have been perfect fit.

But Mancini has bared his teeth, and if we somehow do make fourth, he will have achieved something every bit as demanding as his title wins at Inter.

I take it you havent read this then ??

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[Chippy_boy]

Haven't read the whole thread but I wonder why Tevez would be unhappy?

I mean, Mancini has tough a tough training regime, but so did Hughes. Lots of players gave Hughes stick for that when he arrived. And anyway, Tevez runs his socks off and I can't see him have a problem with intensive training.

Is it his form? Well hardly.

So maybe it's coz he's on the bench all the time? Er no.

Not in the CL? We could well be next year, so no it's not that either.


Or is it because Tevez knows we are bringing in Ibrahimović (or whoever) and he fears being on the bench all the time like he was at the swamp?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Have to admit, this is the first time I have heard Mancini display the type of balls I want from any City manager.

I posted in a thread a fortnight ago that there were certain players (Tevez in the main) who were agitating and presenting the owners with something between a rock and hard place.

What a disgrace it was that Mancini was having to work within these conditions.

The likes of myself, DD and couple others were dismissed at the time as trying to overplay the situation.

Mancini's comments yesterday have borne out that if there were no issues, why comment at all.

I also warmed to Mancini's comments regarding how fulfilling it should be for both him and and any other player at this club, that success would mean a lot more here.

However, and this is the crux of the problem we have as a club. The owners, and we as fans, either have to accept that big reputations come with even bigger expectations and demands, or we go back to square one.

By that, the focus should move away from the big names we all dream of seeing in a blue shirt, and the focus being more on solid dependable, albeit, still at a very decent level of player.

A sort of step above Everton, I would try to equate.

Now that might be okay for a large cross section of City fans, and it may well yield the odd trophy, but if this 'project' is all about prestige and the making of serious cash is directly linked, then I can't see how it does not remain at conflict between board and pitch.

I have appreciated the cut of Mancini's gib today, but there is an unpalatable truth that top players are impatient, they are spoilt and they want everything now.

Does that fit in with out timeframe. You only have to see the hypocrisy of the type of plyers who will suddently become very interested is us if we do make fourth this season.

They are not coming to create history for us - but for themselves.

Footballers are like petulant kids, give them an inch, any sign of weakness, they will take a mile.

My great fear is that these next two games will be dicatated by agendas.

Which is why I want a strong character in charge, why I believe Mourinho would have been perfect fit.

But Mancini has bared his teeth, and if we somehow do make fourth, he will have achieved something every bit as demanding as his title wins at Inter.

I take it you havent read this then ??

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=173610" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=173610</a>

Yes I already had, irrespective of Gary's insight, Mancini has been working against various factions.

So if Mancini's quotes today are false, City will sue.

They won't, because the basic premise of the quotes are correct - it's the headlines and sub headlines which help to twist.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I respect Gary though the point of the matter here is not the line of questioning but the press getting wind of rumblings behind the scenes. It is a fact that certain players are causing trouble because of there agendas against Bob...... Tevez -just because he's become a cult figure at city doesn't mean he hasn't thrown his toys out his pram, his demeanor the past two games being there for all to see.

 

[Gosford Blue]

I haven't read all the posts but I'll bet most of them will be thinking on the same lines as myself.

The press are stirring shit again. He is quoted, but he also mentions himself and other players.

It's just another piece of misguided, journalistic bullshit.

 

[flb]

But what is Tevez throwing his toys out of the pram about though-he wants champions league football?Perhaps he should have seen what position the club was in before he signed-he must have known that CL football was optomistic at best in his first season.