Tevez....

[dref619]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

i'm sorry, but that is a crock of shit

 

[the goats backside]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

i'm sorry, but that is a crock of shit

He was being sarcy

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

There's some truth in what you say, but they'll hang you for it on here.

It's another typical City clanger, just when we need it the least.

 

[leighton]

So he didnt refuse to play he refused to warm up. I dont know what will happen now. Mancini and Tevez will have to work together until January. I know he said he will never play again. If we want to sell him on then a run out midweek might help that. Tevez and Mancini will have to get along for the time being. The mad thing is we might see him playing again for the club which I would never have thought after the Munich game. Time to put this to one side now for both Tevez and Mancini the club have done there report on the issue but can the 2 work together in the short term. With Dzeko form a worry to have Tevez fit it could well be a option to Mancini if he is willing to play him.

 

[dref619]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

i'm sorry, but that is a crock of shit

He was being sarcy

haha oh god i am a tool

 

[crystal_mais]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

I think its more of a heat of the moment thing. In truth Mancini really should have kept this as a non public thing. Tevez was wrong he should have done as he was told though.

Both parties need to back down slightly to get us through to Jan.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

I think its more of a heat of the moment thing. In truth Mancini really should have kept this as a non public thing. Tevez was wrong he should have done as he was told though.

Both parties need to back down slightly to get us through to Jan.

A good and concise take on my stance too, that.

Noone's made the connection with the revealing Times interview, where he paints himself as a man who's career has been dogged by hot-headedness, and this current issue.

Obviously Tevez has the same problem.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Why don't people look at the facts!

Zabaleta said Tevez didn't want to play and he couldn't even look at him on the bench.
Kolarov called Tevez an idiot, there must have been a reason
Joorabchian was all over the press desperately trying to play the damage limitation game
Tevez himself said he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play.
As a footballer you must know if your manager says jump you ask how high.

Tevez has to go in January but City want near to £40milion hence the reason why Bobby has softened his stance somewhat and why Sky are reporting the outcome of a meeting that hsn't happened. Which side has the leak come from?

 

[crystal_mais]

The whole thing has been caused by Mancini totally losing the plot when we were two down in Munich.
There was an obvious communication/interpretation breakdown caused by the number of languages being used.
Carlos Tevez ALWAYS wants to play and ALWAYS gives 100%.
He had warmed up and it seemed that his only crime was to say he had already warmed up, thus implying that he was ready to play.
Mancini obviously got hold of the wrong end of the stick and lost it completley from then on.

I think its more of a heat of the moment thing. In truth Mancini really should have kept this as a non public thing. Tevez was wrong he should have done as he was told though.

Both parties need to back down slightly to get us through to Jan.

A good and concise take on my stance too, that.

Noone's made the connection with the revealing Times interview, where he paints himself as a man who's career has been dogged by hot-headedness, and this current issue.

Obviously Tevez has the same problem.

Its like a little sweetner me thinks. Forgive and forget and learn from mistakes

Also Tevez is still a commodity so the club need to maximise whatever they can in terms of selling him

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Also Tevez is still a commodity so the club need to maximise whatever they can in terms of selling him

That's the driver in all this, combined with the fact that we may need him, and the effects on the squad.

Plus the fact that I suspect any case against him would be very difficult to prove.

The latest is obviously a leak from his camp, so let's see what happens at the meeting.

The last thing City need is this going to court.

 

[phil31]

1. City where on the big stage
2. The mananger was under pressure
3. Do what the manager says!!

End of story, fuck you Tevez!!

 

[Danny Hoekman]

Tevez refused to play! The fact that City are only charging him with refusing to warm up isn't that "all the bench refused to back Mancini" as the tabloids are saying, it's because City's legal team will have told the club that getting it to be watertight would be difficult, and even finding him guilty of it wouldn't mean we could sack him.
By charging him with refusing to warm up, the club are guaranteeing Tevez can't appeal (he has admitted the offence already), keeps his nominal sell-on value slightly higher, whilst still meaning that Mancini need never pick him again.

 

[Aphex]

hmmm

wonder what the outcome, projected perception if you like, of mancini's claim will be

as i've said in many tevez threads, i WILL wait to see what come's out after the investigation. it seems there were two sides afterall

100% behind mancini and i can understand why he lost his head, i would of done it sooner in his position

i thought then that tevez would play for us again, now i'm more convinced.

 

[cleavers]

Which idiot decided today was a good day for the meeting.

PR incompetence. Scary.

It really is a stupid sideshow this weekend, I thought we were over this sort of stuff.

 

[Ardwick AFC]

Fook me, so basically during our biggest game in years, we have a manager who can't speak very good english, trying to get a player who can't speak very good english to warm up through the use of a translator who has been told to speak to Carlos in Spainish, with 60 thousand germans going apey...And Carlos saying he has already warmed up.

Why didn't Bobby just go over to him and ask him directly what the problem was. It would have been sorted out there and then.

"Oh, sorry old chap, I didn't know you'd already warmed up. Strip off then, coz you're going on."

 

[jimbo101]

I don't think many on here are giving the Board enough credit.
They have played this superbly from the off. Very professional.

All the leaks have come from Joorabchian & his cronies.

There are obviously numerous strands here - wanting to punish Tevez, but not so much as to totally diminish his sell on value.

Also, who ever said the charges would be about refusing to play or warm up?
This is a disciplinary action, a quasi judicial process. The charges were always going to be in lawyer-speak. Refusing to follow managers instructions was always the main charge. No change there.

Some are too quick to jump on the doom & gloom - shot ourselves in the foot brigade.

The midnight meeting at Bobby's house - both TH & DD thought this would blow up in our faces, but it came to nought.

Have faith in the Board, the process & the bigger picture.

 

[moomba]

I didn't want to warm up because I wasn't feeling very well. So I thought it was better not to. So I didn't think I was in a good situation to come on because my head wasn't in the right place.

Mis-communication my arse.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The midnight meeting at Bobby's house - both TH & DD thought this would blow up in our faces, but it came to nought.

I didn't. I was pleased with Mancini for attempting a solution.

 

[the goats backside]

Which idiot decided today was a good day for the meeting.

PR incompetence. Scary.

It really is a stupid sideshow this weekend, I thought we were over this sort of stuff.

It would have been nice to think so

 

[lee-mcfc]

whole thing is a big fat mess.