Thanks Pep for calling out the ref (and Liverpool fans)

Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
When it comes to knowledge of the LotG, and let's be quite frank about it, they are probably one of the simplest set of laws connected to any major sport, the finest PiGMOL can muster will know them off by heart, inside out, back to front, and the right way round. If you came up with any scenario that could happen in a football match they would know what Law has been infringed and what sanction the LotG require to be delivered. And yet we see, week in week out, game in game out, referees ignoring the very instances outlined by the LotG as infringements. Why does it happen? The only satisfactory explanation and one which I could accept is that they were 'unsighted', but then we have flag-waving jokers to help and assist, plus another whistling wanker loitering between the technical areas, and then we have football's version of Hawkeye, video assistance. Why then do we witness, City fans more than most I suspect, referees blatantly ignoring what is written within the published LotG! Mike Reilly needs to address this without coming out with mealy-mouthed platitudes.
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Nice thought, but it doesn't quite work like this (regarding knowledge of the laws).

We all saw what happened when Moss dropped the ball with only a West Ham player competing. Fernandes nipped in and put the ball in the back of the net.

Moss did everything wrong on this occasion. We have seen that Moss earns £70k per year for being a referee, plus £1500 per game. This is a very good remuneration package, yet he can't even learn the basics of his profession. Plus as you say, the laws aren't really that complicated. And the changes to the drop ball were recent changes, introduced in 2019-20. He will have been in workshops about this very recently.

So what happened to Moss after this blunder? Nothing really. He missed Match Day 6 (the West Ham game was on Wednesday though) and he refereed Brighton v Arsenal on Match Day 7.

What did Mike Riley say about one of his highly paid referees making such basic errors? Nothing that I can find.
 
Paladin said:
Nice thought, but it doesn't quite work like this (regarding knowledge of the laws).

We all saw what happened when Moss dropped the ball with only a West Ham player competing. Fernandes nipped in and put the ball in the back of the net.

Moss did everything wrong on this occasion. We have seen that Moss earns £70k per year for being a referee, plus £1500 per game. This is a very good remuneration package, yet he can't even learn the basics of his profession. Plus as you say, the laws aren't really that complicated. And the changes to the drop ball were recent changes, introduced in 2019-20. He will have been in workshops about this very recently.

So what happened to Moss after this blunder? Nothing really. He missed Match Day 6 (the West Ham game was on Wednesday though) and he refereed Brighton v Arsenal on Match Day 7.

What did Mike Riley say about one of his highly paid referees making such basic errors? Nothing that I can find.
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I don't get your point. Drop balls are uncontested, it was West Ham's ball and the goal was ruled out?
 
Paladin said:
Nice thought, but it doesn't quite work like this (regarding knowledge of the laws).

We all saw what happened when Moss dropped the ball with only a West Ham player competing. Fernandes nipped in and put the ball in the back of the net.

Moss did everything wrong on this occasion. We have seen that Moss earns £70k per year for being a referee, plus £1500 per game. This is a very good remuneration package, yet he can't even learn the basics of his profession. Plus as you say, the laws aren't really that complicated. And the changes to the drop ball were recent changes, introduced in 2019-20. He will have been in workshops about this very recently.

So what happened to Moss after this blunder? Nothing really. He missed Match Day 6 (the West Ham game was on Wednesday though) and he refereed Brighton v Arsenal on Match Day 7.

What did Mike Riley say about one of his highly paid referees making such basic errors? Nothing that I can find.
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To be fair to Moss, the rules confuse me.

You could read them and conclude it's a corner kick to United, but the way I read them is that the corner kick rule is based on a West Ham player who the ball is dropped for kicking it straight into the net.

I'd say goal kick, but it's not simple.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
I don't get your point. Drop balls are uncontested, it was West Ham's ball and the goal was ruled out?
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They're not uncontested apparently. The rules say the ball is in play as soon as it touches the ground, but all but one player has to be at least 4m away. Fernandes probably was, but others weren't so Moss could argue that's why he dropped it again.

Fernandes did make a mistake in that he scored. You can't score unless another player has touched the ball. As I said above, I assume this is meant for the team who the ball is being dropped for, but that's not clear, and it looks like it still applies.
 
bluenova said:
They're not uncontested apparently. The rules say the ball is in play as soon as it touches the ground, but all but one player has to be at least 4m away. Fernandes probably was, but others weren't so Moss could argue that's why he dropped it again.

Fernandes did make a mistake in that he scored. You can't score unless another player has touched the ball. As I said above, I assume this is meant for the team who the ball is being dropped for, but that's not clear, and it looks like it still applies.
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This is about right. When Moss dropped the ball, that in itself means that he is satisfied that players are at least 4m from the ball. Fernandes took the ball as soon as it became live (when it touched the ground). He scored without it touching an opponent. All this is within the laws.

The correct restart though, because the ball didn't touch another player, should have been a goal kick. Moss further demonstrating his ignorance of these laws by dropping the ball again.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
There’s no such thing as “last man”, it’s whether it was denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. There’s an argument it was denying that, but “last man” isn’t in any football rules.
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The laws don't mention "last man", but they do talk about the positioning of other players. See page 108 of the LOTG, under Sending-off offences.


The following must be considered:
- distance between the offence and the goal
- general direction of the play
- likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
- location and number of defenders
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If Milner was deemed to have committed a foul, in those circumstances, he should definitely have been off.
 
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And for anyone wondering if there was any chance at all of a covering defender then this should dispel that notion. Milner doesn't clip him there then he's bearing down on Allison. The very definition of a goal scoring opportunity.
 
In these sad and unfortunate times, spitting on another person goes beyond an insult. One would think these deranged persons would be held accountable.
 
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