The ‘empty seats’ myth peddled by Liverpool supporters

aguero93:20 said:
They may have changed it last season when the protests etc were going on, but I've been at sold out games there where they reported an attendance in the 58k mark.
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I think they have. Ours wasn't the only one where the actual people was nowhere near the attendance numbers.

This and the post above about %age at Liverpool is the main reason why the numbers don't tell the whole story. They're not all based on the same reasoning, and without that can't be compared meaningfully.

Same as that survey thing the BBC did with actual people/attendance claimed. That was clearly not just what the number said. Utd reported exactly the same people as was the official attendance, so was clearly from a single source. Various matches were claimed as having 5000+ empties which was plain absurd (City/Liverpool, Chelsea/Spurs among others - matches where there was zero chance of having thousands of empties - PB thought that some at City may have been a whole chunk not being in the police figures).
 
Shirley said:
Every "Liverpool fan" should listen to this.....


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He’s incorrect when he says “City do not yet have the number of matchgoing fans to fill in for those that can’t make games”.

We more than have the supporter size to fill every game we play anywhere at any time. We could sell out 65000 every week if we expanded.

But not at any price!

The club have dealt with ticket prices poorly and their promotion of the club to the wrong audiences (audiences that don’t and won’t attend games, unless it’s one of the pre-season tours of nowhere and anywhere) and have lost match going fans due to pricing and lack of “MANCHESTER” about Manchester City.

Those fans could easily be mathcgoing fans if the club priced tickets properly - in accordance to the type of fanbase we are - and by promoting a bit more Mancunianness about our club and not this worldwide wannabe that City have become.

The German clubs do it right. You don’t hear of Dortmund or Shalke selling millions of shirts in Macau but they get 78000 and 65000 through their turn styles every week. They are local clubs for local working class fans in a working class area with working class prices.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
He’s incorrect when he says “City do not yet have the number of matchgoing fans to fill in for those that can’t make games”.

We more than have the supporter size to fill every game we play anywhere at any time. We could sell out 65000 every week if we expanded.

But not at any price!

The club have dealt with ticket prices poorly and their promotion of the club to the wrong audiences (audiences that don’t and won’t attend games, unless it’s one of the pre-season tours of nowhere and anywhere) and have lost match going fans due to pricing and lack of “MANCHESTER” about Manchester City.

Those fans could easily be mathcgoing fans if the club priced tickets properly - in accordance to the type of fanbase we are - and by promoting a bit more Mancunianness about our club and not this worldwide wannabe that City have become.

The German clubs do it right. You don’t hear of Dortmund or Shalke selling millions of shirts in Macau but they get 78000 and 65000 through their turn styles every week. They are local clubs for local working class fans in a working class area with working class prices.
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Dortmund have an average of 2,000 tickets unsold every game, Schalke closer to 4,000.
 
Its quite simple the solution, turn over the north stand lower to the 16-30 years olds and make the prices competitive, you will have 5000 singers in there in a heartbeat. Keep the Norht Stand Tier 2 has family stand, and offer the wings of the east and west to families if demand is there. The family stand is too big, and midweek games highlight this
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
As an American who's going on his dozenth City match traveled to from 5,500 miles away, who fell in love with club when Keegan was manager and City was average at best, who spends a absolute pissload of money and time just have the sheer joy of 90 minutes at the Etihad once in awhile, who loves the fans and has gotten to know some who have been following the club for generations and met their families, who has learned (and thinks he even understands) nearly all of the songs, who has been out on piss-ups with Mancs who have treated me like one of their own, who wakes up at 4:30 am just to catch matches live, let me just say something:

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? You're afraid your side can't beat City, so you glom onto whatever perceived weakness you think you can find to soothe yourself in case the unthinkable happens and you end up with 97 points and no trophies once AGAIN.

You're scared of that feeling of darkness and gloom when your side chokes away the best season it will ever have in the league to suck up City's sloppy seconds.

You're petrified of going to whatever job you have on a Monday after Match 38 and having to face the legion of fans of other clubs who laugh and ridicule your continuing run of abject failure, despite the fact that you've put your heart and soul and every emotion into your hopes.

I know it, and so do you. That's why you've attacked this topic with your 8th (eyeroll) post like some glory-starved hyena.

As a selfish prick, personally, whatever you think, it annoys me that its harder to get tickets than it used to be, and that our matches get moved more often so it's harder to plan an affordable trip across the pond. City matches have THE highest TV audiences in the USA this season. It isn't going to get easier as long as City keep succeeding.

So keep it up, Tinkerbelle. City fans have heard it all. The Sheikh will get tired, bunch of mercenaries, FFP will kill you, the oil will run out, Aguero to Real Madrid, Pep's going to Utd, blah blah blah blah fuckety blah. None of it has been right, and a few years from now you'll be wrong. Again.
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Agreed with most of it but only 2 e's in Tinkerbell - please get your facts right (please insert winking emoji)
 
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